Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, February 2, 2016 11:07 AM

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Signy, if you are going to deflect away from this by accusing the rebels of atrocities equally as bad, then PROVIDE EVIDENCE. Not just rumour.

I provided the BBC article, from which I tallied the approximate number under siege by both sides.

What - BBC not good enough for you now?

Apparently it doesn't matter what the BBC says, because you're only interested in what RUSSIA does, and what ASSAD does, and you will scour every report and every paragraph and every tweet to find what you're looking for. That's typical of that biblical statement about seeing the speck in your brother's eye but not the log in your own. Well of course: that log is occluding your vision. And you even pretend to be unbiased, and that you're just interested in "the truth". What a fucking hoot!

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

KPO

Thursday, February 4, 2016 4:54 AM

In case anyone is still wondering where all the Syrian refugees are coming from, and who is creating them, have a look at what Assad did to an opposition-held city:

A good article on the background of the city in question, "Homs - capital of the Syrian revolution" - http://www.vox.com/2016/2/3/10906078/drone-syria-homs

KPO

Thursday, February 4, 2016 7:02 AM

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I provided the BBC article, from which I tallied the approximate number under siege by both sides.

What - BBC not good enough for you now?

This is some steaming bullshit, even by your standards Sig. From the BBC article:

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...about 200,000 people in government-controlled areas of the eastern city of Deir al-Zour, which are besieged by Islamic State (IS) militants.

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In the eastern Ghouta, a rebel stronghold outside Damascus, about 176,500 people are besieged by Syrian government forces.

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In the suburb of Darayya and mountain town of Zabadani in Damascus Countryside province, about 4,000 and 500 people respectively remain besieged by government forces, the UN says.

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Madaya... has been under siege since July. The UN says about 42,000 people are trapped there (KPO: By government forces, as we all know)

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In Foua and Kefraya, in Idlib province, some 12,500 people are estimated to be trapped by rebel groups

So lets tally up the numbers of people being starved by all sides:

~223,000 civilians being besieged by Government forces
~200,000 civilians being besieged by ISIS
~12,500 civilians being besieged by rebel forces.

So just looking at the few cases given in the BBC article, we can say that rebel forces are responsible for approximately 3% of starved civilians. This matches what the UN says. That the rebels are doing any starving at all is reprehensible, and is a war crime. But sadly we already know that there are radical elements amongst the rebels - the Al Qaeda linked Al Nusra. However. The numbers of civilians being starved by the Syrian government, backed by Russia, FAR exceeds the number being besieged by rebel forces, and even exceeds the number being besieged by the evil ISIS. AND - People are DYING in the Syrian government-starved towns. Are people dying in the rebel-besieged towns? Any evidence?

So what was that you were saying about tallying up the numbers?

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What - BBC not good enough for you now?

The BBC is fine by me. Just your bullshit accounting I take issue with, as usual.

SIGNYM

Thursday, February 4, 2016 7:14 PM

Yep, there you go: Ignoring the entire body of evidence to look for the speck that you want to find, just like I said you would.

So, what you WILL find out about sieges by "rebel" forces (whom you warmly support, despite their alliance of convenience with al Nusra/ al Qaida, and their primarily sharia-Sunni orientation) you'll find backhanded. Under the title

Syria conflict: Government 'cuts Aleppo rebel supply route'
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35485563

you will find the following

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Syrian government forces are reported to have broken a siege of two towns north-west of Aleppo, severing a key rebel supply route into the city... The two mainly Shia towns, which have a population of about 40,000, have been besieged by hardline Sunni Islamist and jihadist rebels since early 2013.

The article says that the towns were seiged by "hardline Suuni Islamist and jihadist rebels" (one might be tempted to think Al Qaida or even ISIL) but the MAP shows that area under the control of your "rebels".

That has been a salient feature since I started following this, not just a recent development.

And BTW, these are two of the towns in NW Syria that I had alluded to earlier as being under siege by either "rebels" or terrorists. I believe there are more, but I haven't had time to find that article again.

So 40,000 people under siege by rebels, who have recently been freed. 40,000 that didn't appear in your tally, but acknowledged after-the-fact by the BBC. OF course, the BBC and western media don't focus on the sieges, but write endlessly about civilians killed and infrastructure destroyed. Yanno, if those towns hadn't been used as human shields by the rebels then this wouldn't have happened, so let's place blame where it's due. There's enough to go around.

Since the coalition of the SAA (Syrian Arab Army, which BTW is 70% Sunni), Hezbollah, Russia, and the Kurds are making significant military advances in NW Syria (Latakia into Idlib) you may read about other sieged towns after-the-fact. But of course, since the reporting is egregiously biased, you'll have to look at it with fresh eyes to see what information you can pull out of it. That is what is called being objective.

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So, let's have a quick recap of what happened in Syria. A small group of well-meaning people wanted democratic reforms in Syria. Another (native) anti-government Sunni-sharia group jumped on the bandwagon to topple Assad and institute pro-Sunni sharia law. Since the USA and Saudi Arabia were itching to depose Assad at any cost ("Assad must go"), and direct military bombardment was thwarted by Russia (2013) they turned instead to using this "moderate rebel" group as cover, and funded and armed jihadists and mercs endlessly, making Syria a Mecca (so to speak) for foreign jihadists from Chechnya to Brussels to Morocco to Sudan, instituting a proxy war and creating chaos and strife. Russia, Iran, and Hezbollah intervened and prevented the overthrow of the Syrian government by foreign-funded radical jihadists and native Sunni jihadists. The pro-democracy group ... irrelevant compared to the forces unleashed by the USA and Saudi Arabia.

So, here we are: Syria enmeshed in a proxy war. The west wringing its hands about the situation in Syria, which they themselves created.

FWIW, I've also been following the UN peace process. The anti-Assad forces met in Riyadh (Saudi Arabia) to select their delegates. Despite the fact that hardline, foreign jihadists were not supposed to be included in the group, they managed to get in anyway. That's what you get when the KSA sponsors you!

The anti-Assad delegates refuse to include the Kurds in their delegation. Their argument is that the Kurds are more pro- than anti-Syrian government, so currently the Kurds- wh

KPO

Friday, February 5, 2016 5:49 AM

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So 40,000 people under siege by rebels, who have recently been freed. 40,000 that didn't appear in your tally, but acknowledged after-the-fact by the BBC.

If the UN made no mention of these towns in its recent report on starving people then maybe it's because this was a siege in the ordinary, military meaning of the word, and not a starvation siege. From what I read the rebels were letting intermittent aid into the towns, and the towns have retained Syrian government supply lines as well. So siege, yes. Starvation of civilians, no. If I'm wrong, then where are the starving civilians?

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And BTW, these are two of the towns in NW Syria that I had alluded to earlier as being under siege by either "rebels" or terrorists.

And so where are the starving civilians? These are government-held towns - surely if the rebels were starving them it would be in their interest to broadcast that fact to the world?

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Yep, there you go: Ignoring the entire body of evidence

Ignoring what? I keep asking you for evidence of rebel starvation sieges, outside of the two Shia villages that I've already mentioned, and you keep not providing any...

THGRRI

Friday, February 5, 2016 6:17 AM

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Originally posted by G:
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This is some steaming bullshit, even by your standards Sig.

She builds her arguments from bricks made of shit....

Has a ring to it - carry on...

I think all this is great. Many here have been flat out stating that SIG and 1kiki were Russian propagandists. In the last six months they have posted enough bullshit denying any culpability on Putin's part, concerning anything posted by legitimate news sources. The cat's out of the bag and there's no way to put it back.

SIGNYM

Friday, February 5, 2016 9:28 AM

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I think all this is great. Many here have been flat out stating that SIG and 1kiki were Russian propagandists.

I guess that makes you a pro-ISIL terrorist-lover, then. YOu never seem to notice when they do anything wrong, you always minimize their heious actions, and you're always defending them.

Well, your (and your two terrorist-loving buddies') precious terrorists are going home- IN BODY BAGS. Like they should.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Friday, February 5, 2016 9:53 AM

Saudi Arabia stands at the ready to help the USA coalition "fight ISIL" ... in Syria!
And if you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you!

The reality is that the USA would LIKE to emplace troops somewhere in Syria so they would have a bargaining chip of any sort. But this would never take place under UN auspices. So unless the USA is ready to do away with a UN figleaf altogether, and engage in an entirely illegal invasion, it's not going to happen.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Friday, February 5, 2016 8:59 PM

GSTRING

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God, you're a clown. You have achieved self-parody.

SIGNYM rap:

O-Well, o-well
your and your
two and two
Terrorist-loving
Buddie-Buddies
precious precious
terrorists buddies
are going home
IN BODY BAGS
IN BODY BAGS
IN BODY BAGS

bump-sa-bump
bump-sa-bump
bump-sa-bump

Yanno that experiment that we were going to try - addressing each other's points instead of each other? Well, it lasted as long as your post in this thread.

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She builds her arguments from bricks made of shit....

You must have a really short memory, or poor impulse control, or absolutely no experience being an adult. You're the clown. Hell, look at your post!

You should be looking at whether or not I can explain and predict better than you. That's science. So far, your explanations and your expectations are batting about zero.

I'm not posting for you, or to you. Wallow in your self-imposed ignorance, I don't care.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

THGRRI

Saturday, February 6, 2016 3:16 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

THR
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I think all this is great. Many here have been flat out stating that SIG and 1kiki were Russian propagandists.

SIG
I guess that makes you a pro-ISIL terrorist-lover, then. YOu never seem to notice when they do anything wrong, you always minimize their heious actions, and you're always defending them.Well, your (and your two terrorist-loving buddies') precious terrorists are going home- IN BODY BAGS. Like they should.

I would love for you to show me where I posted anything positive or showing support for DASH. You can't because I have not. I've never minimized anything they have done. You're just a liar SIG and always have been.

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