Illegal immigration

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CANTTAKESKY

Thursday, July 13, 2006 5:20 PM

First, heartfelt thanks to Phaedra, Milagro, Jonus, Chrisisall, and anyone else who posted rational defenses on behalf of immigrants, illegal or not. I appreciate knowing you guys are out there.

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Posted by Khyron:
Legal: One has waited in line to be allowed into the foreign country. If one is allowed in, it means one has got the necessary credentials to be of aid to that foreign country in some way.

Illegal: One skipped the queue and snuck in without waiting like all those nice people ...

See, your argument sounds sensible. But immigration laws are not so simple.

My parents and sibling used to be illegal immigrants for many years. Now they are citizens or hold a green card. They pay taxes, contribute to the country, obey all laws, and are all around good Americans. They only entered the country illegal way back when because they were NOT ALLOWED TO ENTER THE COUNTRY LEGALLY, even though they would have made skillful contributions to the country.

I am living in Peru right now. I employ a nanny who is just wonderful with my children. I can find a competent American nanny at home, but I don't think I could find one who has such a special relationship with my kids. I would love to bring her to the States, but she doesn't have the "credentials" to enter with a H-1 visa. To me, she has more skill than a PhD child psychologist, but CIS does not recognize her skill without a diploma. So, here is gifted child caretaker who could contribute to our society (she aspires to be a preschool teacher and would make a fabulous one), but who cannot enter the country legally.

I hear so many people on this thread say, they are not against immigration, only against illegal immigration. They are only illegal because we defined them as illegal. They are only illegal because they had no way of entering legally. It is not a matter of simply waiting in line, as Khyron suggests. They were not allowed to even wait in line.

They are the same people whether we define them as illegal or not, people that we know as neighbors and friends and competent colleagues.

Having said that, can we afford to allow everyone who wants to come into the country? Obviously not without significant changes. We can't afford free schooling and welfare for everyone in the world.

To have a more open immigration policy means we have to close more public services. Anyone who wants to come to America can be welcome, but once here, they have to learn English and fend for themselves. But that is how we started in this country. America is a technological and economic superpower today partly because of the contributions of immigrants entering under our open immigration policy. Maybe that is where we ought to return.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

NATILI

Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:11 AM

A controversial Alabama immigration law has just been approved by the state's governor. The law is intended to curb illegal immigration into the state, and uses similar techniques to the controversial law passed by Arizona last year. Here is the proof: Controversy" target="_BLANK">http://www.newsytype.com/7468-alabama-immigration-law/">Controversy erupts over Alabama immigration law, newstype.com

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, January 28, 2016 8:50 PM

The muslim riots in France, Sweden, Germany has added a new dimension to this topic

Canada will be stupid to accept thousands of unvetted 'refugees'

SIGNYM

Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:45 PM

Yanno, it's funny, I appreciate the necro-posting, I really do. It helps me keep track of how my position has changed, and also reassures me that - despite THUGR's and G's and KPO's constant provocations and name-calling, I am in fact NOT a "commie troll" and in general post well-reasoned, thoughtful opinions about a wide variety of topics which hold up to re-inspection, even after several years.

It also helps assure others that when I say I've been for or against something for a long time and have posted on it multiple times... well, the evidence is there.

My thinking on the topic of illegal immigration has actually hardened since. The idea that we make life an absolute clusterfuck in some weaker nation, and then toss a few crumbs of not-so benign neglect to the escapees because we want to think of ourselves as "nice people" who want to "help" is absurd beyond belief. All of the protestations of "R2P" notwithstanding.

So, as I've stated in many posts since this, the United States (and, I would say the EU too, at this point) can solve its FUTURE immigrant problems by

(1) Not destroying or destabilizing other nations willy-nilly
(2) Not roping them into "free trade agreements" that cause misery on BOTH sides, and only benefit the very top internationalists
(3) Ditto lending poor nations money, with "austerity" requirements for payback
(4) Engaging in beneficial mutual trade.
(5) Tariff nations which fail to meet developmental requirements, such as percentage of females being literate or freedom from corruption.
(6) If nations really want to help- HELP. Help build schools or dig wells. Help educate girls (specifically). Do something positive. You can't build nations with guns and bombs, you can only destroy stuff, and that rarely improves a situation.

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But, here we are: the USA and the EU has screwed the Mideast and African pooch pretty thoroughly. Nations from Pakistan to Morocco to Sudan are enflamed in jihadism and corruption.

The USA (over centuries) has warped Central and South American development into something unrecognizable.

So now there are millions of people desperate to escape wherever they are. If we were to miraculously end our destructive, exploitative ways TODAY (haha. But a girl can dream, can't she?) there would still be all that historical karma to overcome.

So, what to do?

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For the USA, I would propose the following: something to give everyone, and something to offend everyone. A package deal, all or nothing:

1) End immigration now. There was NO legal immigration during JFK's Presidency, did you know that?
2) Amend the Constitution to end birthright citizenship. That would stop that problem of "divided families" and "anchor babies" and "birth tourism".
3) Amend the Constitution to make English the official language.
4) Give everyone who has been residing in the USA for the past 20 years a pathway to citizenship. They have 10 years to learn English. If they fail to make the grade, or commit serious criminal offenses, off they go!

ETA: and it goes without saying
5) Stop meddling in other nations! Withdraw our troops. Save their services for real self-defense!

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, January 28, 2016 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Amend the Constitution to make English the official language.

I would also make Native American Indian languages official or First People language official, I think its long past time their language, spirituality, customs is helped grow again and was protected from cultural extinction

SIGNYM

Thursday, January 28, 2016 10:22 PM

American Natives are officially other nations. The USA can't make English an official language on their soil. There are probably other better-suited remedies for the treatment that the First Nations received, and continue to receive, at the hands of the USA government. Looking at the "reservation" policies is enough to make me want to tear my hair out. But, yeah- recognition, respect, and recompense is due. But how do you recompense a genocide?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, February 19, 2016 10:28 PM

Larry King he seems to be involved with Hulu and RT America Russian station.

Acclaimed and outspoken actor John Rhys Davies talks to Larry about his latest movie Return to the Hiding Place. Davies, an outspoken advocate for Christianity, criticizes the West’s response to what he calls a war on Christians in the Middle East and Africa.

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, March 4, 2016 3:47 AM

I never thought I would see the day where a NATO General for Europe and North America, Pacific Forces leader, vet of the Gulf War, USAF vet of Cold War, Joint Powers Commander...would be warning the USA on illegal immigration

Philip Mark Breedlove

meanwhile
Europe self censors

Dutch Man at Protest arrested for wearing Pig Hat because it "May offend Muslims"

SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, March 9, 2016 1:02 PM

I suggest starting from scratch, to a time before the Pilgrims landed, then let's see Donald and company talk about Making America Great Again........

The rest of us are all Illegal Immigrants.

Phuck it! Make every country responsible for their own. Let's see how long that'll last.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
American Natives are officially other nations. The USA can't make English an official language on their soil. There are probably other better-suited remedies for the treatment that the First Nations received, and continue to receive, at the hands of the USA government. Looking at the "reservation" policies is enough to make me want to tear my hair out. But, yeah- recognition, respect, and recompense is due. But how do you recompense a genocide?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 9, 2016 5:30 PM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I suggest starting from scratch, to a time before the Pilgrims landed, then let's see Donald and company talk about Making America Great Again........

The rest of us are all Illegal Immigrants.

Exactly my point. Those poor Natives, especially the East coast ones ... they has a fairly open immigration policy, even gave the white folks turkey and such so they wouldn't starve, and look what happened to them!

All kidding aside, a nation should make its immigration policy on the basis of what suits THEM, not on the basis of what suits corporations, banks, and "others". If it hasn't created a problem elsewhere, then it's under no moral obligation to "help". And if we WANT to help, then let's HELP.

Studies have shown that a nation can reasonably acculturate about 1% foreign population. After that, ghettos and subcultures start to form.

On the other hand, it shouldn't make living hells out of other nations so that people have to emigrate. If you look at the current emigration crises, they're out of nations that the USA (and the EU) have either destroyed militarily: Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria. Sudan, Yemen, or economically: all of Central and South America.

The chickens of our multiple foreign "interventions" are coming home to roost.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

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