2 1/2 Days to Go...& Still Undecided
POSTED BY: BrownShirtsRock
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 3, 2004 21:20
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Originally posted by Shiny:Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
When do I start intimidating Democrats and interfering with them getting to the poles?
Hopefully a few minutes before you are arrested for assault and violating voters' civil rights...
Who said anything about assault? You Bush-haters are bad, bad fellows.
And I can pretty much guarrantee that I wont the one being arrested. Whats the use of being a "government official" if you can't abuse your power from time to time? Just this summer the ice cream man came driving his truck into my neighborhood. He played that stupid song over and over. Well he learned his lesson,and so will all the registered Democrats in my county...wait! OH GOD! OHIO DOESN'T REGISTER BY PARTY! Curses, foiled again.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
With people like Hero who needs democracy???
I resemble that remark.
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
[B]@Hero
Your record needs some tweaking.
Lower taxes - for the rich,the other vast majority of the US population
Education accountability - to hold the teacher accountable for the students failure. There are more ways to help the child's education than helping them learn to read in the "early years" (ie education continues after that).
War - paid for with what? Taxes are lower so the gov's income is to. Fighting terrorists can done with more than just the sword. Something that Bush doesn't understand.
I was going for broad strokes, but since you want specifics:
"Tax cuts for the rich"- I made less then $26,000 last year, I got a tax cut. This year I will make substantially more, and still pay less taxes then I will if Kerry gets in.
"Educational Accoutability"- I live in an area where pilot school voucher programs and charter schools provide an alternative to failed public schools. My teacher friends are pissed at the extra work they have getting kids ready for tests, but their kids have seen improved scores in the last two years.
"War- another tax issue"- Tax revenues increased after the tax cut. The tax cut led to higher consumption and greater investment. That coupled with higher interest rates led to a larger pie from which the govt takes its cut and thus a net larger piece. Ah, the '80s, we learned so much.
A better argument then taxes is "where are the jobs?" Answer, I got mine. I have a high paying job that didn't exist three years ago. Answer, you'll get yours, jobs are a lagging indicator, but this year already has added over 1.5 million new jobs and the unemployment rate is 5.4% (down from over 6% during the Clinton legacy/terror recession of 2000-2002).
Come on, their even making steel in Cleveland again. Sure, not as much as before, but who can compete with Mexican steel prices these days?
Kerry's solution is to rewind us to the Clinton era. While most remember the time for its economic growth, I remember the last time the Democrats tried to fix health care. And Clinton's people viewed terror as a criminal issue as well. The 9/11 Report does not condemn Clinton, and niether do I, but what it does indicate is that the "criminal" approach failed to check Al Queda's growth and laid the seeds for 9/11. We cannot go back, we need to move ahead.
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It's pretty straight forward.
We haven't been attacked since 9/11. Afghanistan, despite Jimmy Carter and John Kerry, have had their FIRST free election EVER. The first person to vote was a 19 year old woman. Iraq is the central front in the War on Terror. Terrorists are moving in and dying by the scores. Better than fighting them here. Kerry has proclaimed that G.W. Bush will invoke a draft, despite the FACT it was introduced by 2 Democrates and voted down by the Congress. Furthermore, drafted soldiers wouldn't be able to fight for well over 1.5 years. It takes the Ready Reserve a year to ramp up for deployment. Al Gore said G.W. "will steal your Social Security" to the elderly. It didn't happen...Kerry is saying it now. Why would Bush hurt the elderly? Is it in his interest to hurt his constituants? Kerry vote to RAISE taxes on Social Security benefits(!!!)
Look folks, The Kerry/Edwards camp has been laying down allot of crap. The politics of fear. Why? Because what do they have to offer?
I pay less taxes than under Clinton. I live 1 hour from NYC and work in mid-town. I feel safer with this Presidents actions and foreign policy. By checking John Kerry's voting record, I can't believe he'll be consistant. I'm not going to risk letting him pull out of Iraq, WHICH, he will do. "Wrong war, Wrong time" etc etc. Voted against the 87 Billion spending.
AND ALL DE DOES IS BITCH BITCH BITCH. What are his plans? Lord knows he goes on about his plans, we just DON'T KNOW what they are.
I'm voting for Bush. For my safety, my family, and for my friends and family in the military serving.
Edited to add:
I'm not a pro-lifer so much as a pro responsibility person. I like the fact that George Bush said "I want to change the heart of America. I won't outlaw abortion. They should be infrequent."
Fact: John Kerry voted AGAINTS the majortiy of Americans (85%)FOR partial Birth Abortion. For those of you who don't know what that is, in the last trimest, labor is induces, the child is born, alive, but not entirely removed from the womb. An incision is made in the skull and a tub is inserted. Brains are removed and death follows. Kerry makes the "Life of the mother argument" which is truly bogus in this case. When would THAT procedure save a womans life??? Why does he support it? Special interests....pure and simple.
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Originally posted by WaddleDoodle:
It's pretty straight forward.
We haven't been attacked since 9/11.
Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm.
Lisa: That's spacious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: Thank you, dear.
Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Oh, how does it work?
Lisa: It doesn't work.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: It's just a stupid rock.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you?
Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.
Jayne, your mouth is talkin. Might want to look into that.
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Originally posted by Shiny:Quote:
Originally posted by WaddleDoodle:
It's pretty straight forward.
We haven't been attacked since 9/11.
Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm.
Lisa: That's spacious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: Thank you, dear.
Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Oh, how does it work?
Lisa: It doesn't work.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: It's just a stupid rock.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you?
Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.
Jayne, your mouth is talkin. Might want to look into that.
Make all the jokes you want.
Last I heard, bears aren't flying planes into buildings. Bears aren't supporting an Islamo-fascist agenda and killing free people everywhere.
I live in Jersey. We lost 700 neighbors. I have friends deployed abroad defending our nation and defending Western civilization. I lost friends in 9/11. I remember seeing the crater of ground zero. I remember seeing the film of the Americans jumping to their deaths from the towers. For days after I recall seeing the sign on the turnpike flasing "NYC is closed" We know of only a handful of terror plots which have been thrwarted, history will reveal the rest. The full resources of our government and armed forces are working to prevent another 9/11.
Mock me all you want, but you're not me and know nothing about my experiences. I'm disappointed that the best you can post to contradict my reasoning is a cartoon. Bravo.
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Originally posted by WaddleDoodle:
Mock me all you want, but you're not me and know nothing about my experiences. I'm disappointed that the best you can post to contradict my reasoning is a cartoon.
Who is mocking your experiences? I'm just pointing out the fallacy of your argument that the absence of a domestic terrorist attack somehow proves that the administration has been effective.
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Here's the one I like.
www.factcheck.org
If you happen to like the ads, or watch the debates, this is a great site for finding out just how truthful these are. Both sides are unbiasedly represented. Overall, I've found Kerry to be a bit more honest. Less misleading I should say. But you can read and judge for yourself.
Another thing that it shows is how the votes of each candidate on certain issued is not indicative of their views on that subject. Sometimes bills have clauses that Senators and Congressmen don't agree with, whether the other things in the bill are agreeable. So for example when the Bush campaign says that Kerry voted agains body armor, the body armor was only one third of one percent of the money spent in that bill. Many republicans were also against that particular bill. This is just a little of the kind of information you can find on this site.
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Amen Waddledoodle. I pretty much agree with everything you've said. Bush is FAR from perfect, but a future with Kerry seems scary to me.
I feel safer with Bush. And I agree about the abortion issue. The most adament pro-choicers don't even condone partial-birth.Kerry also is against holding those who kill a pregnant woman accountable for double murder.
And the government running health care? No thanks. There might be problems, but I can't believe that's the solution. I don't even like HMOs........ A large part of the problem is the excess of medical malpractice suits, which Kerry will never try to check.
I can't wait till this election is over tho. Around here things are getting ugly. Kerry sgns ripped up, Bush signs spray-painted, campaign quarters broken into. Bad behavior from both camps--the politicians & their supporters.
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Originally posted by Shiny:Quote:
Originally posted by WaddleDoodle:
Mock me all you want, but you're not me and know nothing about my experiences. I'm disappointed that the best you can post to contradict my reasoning is a cartoon.
Who is mocking your experiences? I'm just pointing out the fallacy of your argument that the absence of a domestic terrorist attack somehow proves that the administration has been effective.
The use of a cartoon to illustrate your point is the definition of mocking. Sorry, but it's hard to take that as a serious repudiation of my point. As to your logic:
1)We were attacked on 9/11.
2)UBL and his organization has proclaimed they want to destroy the United States.
If the above two are correct, please explain why we haven't had a domestic terror attack since 9/11? Has al-Quida given up operations? They didn't stop after the 1st WTC bombing, after the Kohbar Towers, The USS Cole, the African Embassy bombings...
They are active....BUT WE haven't we been hit? Is it POSSIBLE, no matter how remote in your world view, that the resources of the richest most powerful country on Earth may actually be thwarting terrorism on our shores?
Please eplain. But without any snarky/clever Simpsons or Family Guy references.
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