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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria

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KPO
Wednesday, December 23, 2015 8:02 PM

This thread is to keep a running account of Putin's and the Syrian regime's atrocities in Syria.

First, from Amnesty International, indiscriminate Russian airstrikes have killed hundreds of civilians:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35165819
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/12/syria-russias-shameful-
failure-to-acknowledge-civilian-killings
/

"Russian air strikes in Syria have killed hundreds of civilians and caused massive destruction in residential areas, striking homes, a mosque and a busy market, as well as medical facilities, in a pattern of attacks that show evidence of violations of international humanitarian law"

“Some Russian air strikes appear to have directly attacked civilians or civilian objects by striking residential areas with no evident military target and even medical facilities, resulting in deaths and injuries to civilians. Such attacks may amount to war crimes”




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UPDATE:

HIGHLIGHTS OF THE THREAD - RUSSIAN/REGIME ATROCITIES TO DATE:

- The Syrian regime's starving of 40,000 people in the town of Madaya: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2016/1/7/madaya-syria-starving.h
tml

http://news.yahoo.com/16-more-starve-death-syrias-besieged-madaya-msf-
083223561.html

- the UN, on Russian/regime airstrikes on civilians, civilian infrastructure, fuel and food lines and refugee camps (!!) - http://reliefweb.int/report/syrian-arab-republic/turkey-syria-flash-up
date-developments-northwestern-governorates-22


- UN report: Syrian regime 'exterminating detainees' (at least 11,000) - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35521801

- Doctors Without Borders report on a 'horrific' barrel bomb of one of their hospitals: http://www.msf.org.uk/article/syria-barrel-bombing-of-msf-supported-ho
spital-kills-seven


- "Homs - capital of the Syrian revolution" reduced to a bombed out husk:


- International Red Cross: close to 100,000 displaced in less than 2 weeks of joint Russian/regime bombardment -
http://www.rescue.org/press-releases/increase-airstrikes-and-ongoing-s
ieges-%E2%80%9Cmaking-mockery%E2%80%9D-international-efforts-help-sy


In the ER of a hospital in rebel-held Aleppo, a story of 3 brothers (warning heartbreaking):



BBC report on the airstrikes on Aleppo:



Statement by the International Red Cross 31/7/16, after one of their hospitals taken out, 6 killed - https://www.rescue.org/press-release/irc-supported-hospital-syria-hit-
airstrike-killing-six

CCTV footage of an airstrike on a hospital in rebel-held Aleppo -



Amnesty International blames Russia and Assad for bombing of Idlib maternity hospital - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-civil-war-as
sad-russia-air-strikes-deaths-bombing-hospitals-idlib-maternity-clinic-babies-a7163691.html


An article on the scale of Syria's war crimes - http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/does-anyone-in-syria-fear-inte
rnational-law


To be continued

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Wednesday, December 23, 2015 8:15 PM

Russia can not afford a protracted campaign in Syria. Especially since they are expending resources in the Ukraine as well. Their strategy is to inflict as much pain as quickly as they can, to influence their position in negotiations.

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Wednesday, December 23, 2015 11:11 PM

I bet we would have no problem finding SIG's post about the atrocities committed by Israel for it's use of cluster bombs. So now watch once again as she demonstrates her hypocrisy and denies any wrong doing by Russia.

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Sunday, December 27, 2015 8:24 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Cluster_Munitions

As of the end of 2015, neither Russia nor Syria - OR the US or China for that matter - have signed on to the ban.

"Anti-cluster munitions campaigners praised the rapid progress made in the adoption of the convention, and expressed hope that even non-signatories – such as the US, China and Russia – would be discouraged from using the weapons by the entry into force of the convention.[31] As one of the countries that did not ratify the treaty, the United States said that cluster bombs are a legal form of weapon, and that they had a "clear military utility in combat." It also said that compared to other types of weapons, cluster bombs are less harmful to civilians."


Personally, I think they should be completely banned. OTOH, I don't really have an opinion about other countries and cluster bombs for the simple reason they're not MY country, and they're not acting in MY name with MY taxes. What's done in MY name by MY country with MY money I take very personally.




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Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Use of cluster bombs by Russia:
http://www.rferl.org/content/syria-russia-hrw-using-cluster-munitions/
27440005.html
"Human Rights Watch (HRW) has accused both Moscow and Damascus of "extensive use" of banned cluster munitions in Syria.



KPO, G: HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH CAN KISS MY ASS.

HRW has made serious and factually wrong accusations about a number of governments which the USA is trying to destroy, or has actually destroyed.

They "reported" that the Qaddafi government was killing protesters when it wasn't ...
Quote:

The estimated death toll from four days of protests in cities across Libya has risen to at least 233 according to information from hospital sources in Libya, Human Rights Watch said today.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2011/02/20/libya-governments-should-demand-en
d-unlawful-killings


and thumped that the Assad government had conducted Sarin gas attacks on its own people, when it hadn't. ...
Quote:

Syria: Government Likely Culprit in Chemical Attack
Available evidence strongly suggests that Syrian government forces were responsible for chemical weapons attacks on two Damascus suburbs on August 21, 2013. These attacks, which killed hundreds of civilians including many children, appeared to use a weapons-grade nerve agent, most likely Sarin.


https://www.hrw.org/news/2013/09/10/syria-government-likely-culprit-ch
emical-attack


HRW, a presumed human rights organization, has supported CIA RENDITIONS AND TORTURE
Quote:

In his capacity as an HRW advocacy director, Malinowski contended in 2009 that “under limited circumstances” there was “a legitimate place” for CIA renditions — the illegal practice of kidnapping and transferring terrorism suspects around the planet.

http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2014/05/17/human-rights-watch-ind
ependence-us-government
/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-hypocrisy-of-human-rights-watch/53679
40


HRW is neither honest nor objective. The HRW board and its various functionaries share a revolving door with the Clintons (neocons), the State Department, the CIA, and various investment banks, all of which are actively involved in destabilizing and erasing various governments ...
Quote:

For example, HRW’s Washington advocacy director, Tom Malinowski, previously served as a special assistant to President Bill Clinton and as a speechwriter to Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.

In 2013, he left HRW after being nominated as Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights & Labor under John Kerry.

In her HRW.org biography, Board of Directors’ Vice Chair Susan Manilow describes herself as “a longtime friend to Bill Clinton” who is “highly involved” in his political party, and “has hosted dozens of events” for the Democratic National Committee.

Currently, HRW Americas’ advisory committee includes Myles Frechette, a former U.S.ambassador to Colombia, and Michael Shifter, one-time Latin America director for the U.S. government-financed National Endowment for Democracy.

Miguel Díaz, a Central Intelligence Agency analyst in the 1990s, sat on HRW Americas’ advisory committee from 2003-11. Now at the State Department, Díaz serves as “an interlocutor between the intelligence community and non-government experts.”



NGOs like HRW and Amnesty International are infested with US-government functionaries and quite often serve as witting tools of USA foreign policy.

Let them squawk. I don't believe them and neither should you. They've been provably wrong with very important accusations .... accusations that led to the destruction of entire national governments... and are no more reliable than the creator of the baby-incubator-hoax which led to the first invasion of Iraq, and the Saddam-WMD hoax which led to the second invasion of Iraq.

In fact, this really belongs in the "How Truth is Manufactured in the West" thread http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57708 which is just another example of scare st

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KPO
Monday, December 28, 2015 4:19 AM

The predictable attacks on Amnesty and Human Rights Watch from Siggy, attacking the sources criticising Russia with 'evidence' from her pro-Russia blogs.

Moving on. An example of how the Syrian regime has been conducting the war for the past few years:

'Horrific' barrel bomb of MSF hospital: http://www.msf.org.uk/article/syria-barrel-bombing-of-msf-supported-ho
spital-kills-seven


Quote:

A double-tap barrel bombing on Saturday 28 November on a Médecins Sans Frontières/Doctors Without Borders (MSF)-supported hospital in a besieged zone in northern Homs governorate, Syria, has caused seven deaths, the partial destruction of the hospital and an influx of 47 wounded patients needing to be transferred to nearby field hospitals, some of whom died en route.

At around 9:40am local time on Saturday 28 November, a barrel bomb was dropped from a helicopter on a populated area of Al Zafarana town, to the north east of Homs city in Syria, killing a man and a young girl, and wounding 16 people.

These patients were admitted to the Al Zafarana hospital in the mass casualty influx.

...

In total these bombings have killed seven and wounded 47 people. Half of the wounded – 23 out of 47 people - were children under 15-years-old and women.

“This bombing shows all the signs of a double-tap, where one area is bombed and then a second bombing hits the paramedic response teams or the nearest hospital providing care,” says Brice de le Vingne, Director of Operations for MSF.

“This double-tap tactic shows a level of calculated destruction that can scarcely be imagined.”



Video of the destruction:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2015/dec/01/msf-hospital-zafara
na-homs-syria-double-tap-barrel-bomb-attack-video


And from the accompanying article:
Quote:

A report released in May by Amnesty International on the use of barrel bombs in Aleppo concluded that they had killed 3,000 civilians and 35 fighters between January 2014 and March 2015. The weapons had killed more than 12,000 people throughout the country from their deployment in 2012 until the date of the report’s release.


It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, December 28, 2015 7:37 AM

"The predictable attacks on Amnesty and Human Rights Watch from Siggy ..."

Backed up by facts you completely ignore in your rush to ad hominem. Yes, facts are too much for your little brain, causing it to shrink in fear and quiver, hiding in a corner.

So next time, instead of debating facts, I'll just call you a troll and liar, because hey - that's what YOU do. No discussion of facts required!




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Monday, December 28, 2015 12:28 PM

Quote:

The predictable attacks on Amnesty and Human Rights Watch from Siggy, attacking the sources criticising Russia with 'evidence' from her pro-Russia blogs.
You mean ... like ... the HRW site, which I quoted? You're go-to response is getting tired, thin, and it was always lame.

And you NEVER address facts!

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Monday, December 28, 2015 10:01 PM


So, KRAP (KPO, I'm calling you KRAP for the time-being, since you always seem to spray the board with scheiss) since you have NO-IDEA what pro-Russian websites look like, these are pro-Russian websites...

https://www.rt.com/
http://russia-insider.com/en
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/
http://sputniknews.com/

If you're going to talk about them, you may as well do so with some knowledge of the topic. Or, is speaking with knowledge of a topic anathema to you?

Now, here is a part of what a REAL pro-Russian website says about the report ... (emphasis added)

Quote:

Amnesty Publishes a Biased Report About Russia's Campaign in Syria

Alexander Mercouris Subscribe to Alexander Mercouris

Amnesty International has just released a report accusing the Russian authorities of “shamefully concealing” large numbers of civilian deaths caused by Russian air strikes in Syria. The report also says the Russians might be committing war crimes in Syria.

The Russians have responded to the report by saying it is littered with cliches.

Having read the report, I can say it provides no evidence a court could use.

As Amnesty says, its report was researched “remotely”.

That means there was no field work. No investigators visited the six places where Amnesty says the attacks by the Russians discussed in the report took place. The report is based entirely on reports of alleged eye witnesses and video evidence provided to Amnesty by third parties.

This in itself is worrying. Given that Syria is in a state of civil war with a long history of evidence being manipulated by both sides - especially by the rebels - in pursuit of their objectives, this is a fragile reed upon which to build a report like this. As it happens, detailed examination of the six incidents shows there is no conclusive evidence linking the Russians to any of them.

An attack on Talbisseh on 30th September 2015 is said to have been the result of “suspected Russian air strikes on Karama Street”. Use of certain munitions is attributed to the Russians because “Syrian government forces are not considered capable of delivering them” (“considered” by whom and what if that assumption is wrong?). An attack on Darat Izzah is attributed to a “suspected Russian sea-launched cruise missile”. Civilian deaths on Nuqeyr “purportedly involved cluster munitions”. An attack on Al-Ghantu involved “suspected Russian air strikes”. Two missiles that attacked Sermin were “fired by suspected Russian warplanes”.

Lastly, the report discusses an attack on Ariha without mentioning the Russians or providing any evidence they were involved at all.

Given the myriad number of air forces now operating in Syria, it is impossible to see how Amnesty can be sure that any of these incidents - if they even happened - involved the Russians... The entire report is in fact riddled with this sort of bad reasoning. Besides its repeated use of the word “suspected” (“suspected” by whom?) exposes it for what it actually is - a tissue of guesses and suppositions.

... The real concern must however be about the provenance of the information - such as it is - upon which the report is based.

When discussing the attack on Maasran the report says it arrived at its conclusions based on “images and reports sent to it by Syrian human rights activists and also documented by military and security organisations”.

... This begs the obvious question of who these “Syrian human rights activists” and “military and security organisations” are, and how much reliance can be placed on them? What criteria does Amnesty use to determine whether someone reporting out of Syria is a “human rights activist”?

The expression “human rights activist” implies someone whose primary concern is for human rights and who is therefore in some way detached from the political struggle.

Anyone who has followed the Syrian conflict with any care knows that no such people exist. Individuals and organisations who report about Syria claiming t

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Tuesday, December 29, 2015 1:22 AM

There is an inconvenient fact Moscow strategists feel they can ignore when backing the Iranian Shia. 15 percent of Russia’s 144 million people are Muslim. And 95 percent of those are Sunni.


We have a saying here. The chickens come home to roost. It means you have to face the consequences of your mistakes or bad deeds

Sunni and Shia Islam are the two major denominations of Islam. 85-90% of the world's Muslims are Sunni and 10-15% are Shia. Sunnis are a majority in most Muslim communities

Quote:

....SIG

What I heard ... and it was an interesting perspective... is that the USA has gotten itself in the middle of a civil war between Sunnis and Shias. That until/ unless the two sects sort themselves out, there will be constant warfare between the two of them.



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