2 1/2 Days to Go...& Still Undecided

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BROWNSHIRTSROCK

Saturday, October 30, 2004 4:41 PM

Please tell me who you are voting for in the U.S. Presidential Election and why. Maybe seeing some of your opinions will help me decide.

SGTGUMP

Saturday, October 30, 2004 6:36 PM

So that's you that I'm hearing about on the news. Awesome.

BROWNSHIRTSROCK

Saturday, October 30, 2004 9:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by sgtgump:
So that's you that I'm hearing about on the news. Awesome.

Yep, that would be me. And those like me. I think it says a lot about the state of our nation that so many people, myself included, cannot see any fundamental differences in our two main candidates. I'm talking about issues. Issues that supersede Iraq. When you can't tell if your candidates are for or against things, it's impossible to choose. Too bad John Steward isn't running. Or Joss.

"Honestly folks, I think my brain is broken." John Stewart

TALLGRRL

Saturday, October 30, 2004 9:17 PM

Oh, dearheart.
How informed are you?
Do you read?
Are you only getting your information from the "mainstream" media? (For God's sake, don't do that! They're lazy bastards.)
Are you waiting to be sufficiently frightened into voting for a candidate? (Boo!)
Are you only looking at commercials to help you make a decision?

Since we all know Bush's "record"...such as it is ( http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=64326)
I'd suggest you go to www.johnkerry.com and do some reading.

I've heard people, people who should know better, say: "I don't know what Kerry stands for!"
How is that at all possible when there's a website where you can find his positions and plans on the issues, his career in the Senate, etc.
You can go to the website for the US Senate and find out how he's voted on issues.

Are you really undecided...or kinda lazy?

Please...do some work...become informed.

By the way, John Stewart was so right when he told Tucker Carlson that he was "hurting America".
"Take me, sir. Take me hard."

THUNDAR

Saturday, October 30, 2004 10:13 PM

I tend to avoid the political threads. But I'll make an exception here.

Seems like most people don't see the Forest for the Tree. In other words, I don't vote primarily for the Presidential candidtate. As we all know, they're usually pretty bad. What I vote for is the Party and the philosophy that party stands for. If you have a conservative bent, Go Shrub. If you are more socially liberal, Go Flush it. (Just a quick synopsis of party philosophy. No flames needed)

Thank You, Drive through please.

DACUTE1

Saturday, October 30, 2004 11:02 PM

The fundamental difference that I see in the two politicians is the way that they see the world. Bush tends to see a very black and white world, there's good and bad, right and wrong. It's easy for him to stick to a side of an issue because once he's decided it's right, it's right. Kerry sees in shades of gray. Bush will accuse him of 'changing hs mind' that really only happens when he gets new information about an issue.

The way I see it, this world is never black and white. Joss deals a lot with shades of gray in his shows. It's not as easy as demon's are evil and people are good. But when it comes down to it the decision is yours, just remember to vote.

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Wash: Were I unwed I would take you in a manly fashion
Kaylee: 'Cause I'm pretty?
Wash: 'Cause you're pretty

HARDWARE

Saturday, October 30, 2004 11:18 PM

Here's an easy litmus test.

Are you doing better or worse since 2000?

Remember, doing the same since 2000 is still a no vote for Bush. Your work and effort are supposed to improve your position. If you have stayed the same (assuming you've been working to improve your position) then you've actually been sliding backwards. Your forward progress has only allowed you to stay in the same place.

If you're doing better then vote for Bush. If you're doing worse or just keeping even by busting your hump then vote for Kerry.

Actually this is a cop out. Get informed and make a choice.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

DARKJESTER

Saturday, October 30, 2004 11:25 PM

I don't envy you, BSR. I have a friend who is an R.N. who cannot stand Bush, but says he will never vote for Kerry because of how John Edwards made his millions (in effect, as a medical malpractice lawer where it was later proven scientifically that the attending physicians had no control over what they were found 'guilty' of).
I am a member of an anabaptist "Peace Church", the Mennonites. Most of us believe that war is always wrong, and will do nothing to help in any war effort. I know people who spent time in jail in the 60's and 70's because they refused to serve in the military. My father was arrested for protesting the Viet Nam war at the White House with the Berrigan brothers. And I refused to register with the Selective Service Board when I turned 18, meaning I couldn't receive any Federal loans or grants for college.
Now I have to choose between a man who took my country to war twice (Iraq and Afghanistan) but didn't serve himself, and one who did serve (and then tried to expose wrongdoings to his country) and says without a doubt he agrees with the first US invasion (Afghanistan).
I am not thrilled with either candidate's positions on Social Security reform, energy policy, the health system "crisis", tax reform (you have to raise taxes to balance increased government spending ! Even Reagan eventually figured that one out!) But time and again, I find one candidate is farther from my positions than the other. So I guess I'll vote against Bush.

By the way, your screenname has interesting historical connotations.....

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

JASONZZZ

Saturday, October 30, 2004 11:28 PM

But are you doing the same inspite of the fact that the economy could have gone into the shitter ever since a bunch of nuts decided that they want to come and kill your kin just b/c you are labeled American?

and inspite of the fact that we have to spend uberoodles to prop up a couple of 3rd world nations so they don't slide into an ooozing quagmire, and on top of that spending time and money being involved in 2 major conflicts.

If the president has anything to do with this juggling act while preventing us from sliding into deep depression. Yet without me having to ration my flour, eggs, and tin. That's pretty good.

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HARDWARE

Saturday, October 30, 2004 11:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

But are you doing the same inspite of the fact that the economy could have gone into the shitter ever since a bunch of nuts decided that they want to come and kill your kin just b/c you are labeled American?

and inspite of the fact that we have to spend uberoodles to prop up a couple of 3rd world nations so they don't slide into an ooozing quagmire, and on top of that spending time and money being involved in 2 major conflicts.

If the president has anything to do with this juggling act while preventing us from sliding into deep depression. Yet without me having to ration my flour, eggs, and tin. That's pretty good.

Jsonzzz,
Those folks decided to come kill us, and actually did kill 3000 of our neighbors while GW Bush was on duty. We can point the finger of blame anywherre you want, but it eventually lands on the guy on duty. It comes with the job. Bush has done some interesting twisting and dodging to avoid it, but it still lands at his feet.

Just as Pearl Harbor landed at the feet of FDR.

Now, since you've brought up the mass hemmorhaging of money we've been doing to fight this war on terror, let's consider this...

Bush keeps on cutting taxes and increasing spending. Our budget shortfall is at record levels and our national debt is at a whopping 7.3 TRILLION dollars. That debt has to come home to roost sooner or later.

Bush isn't managing to prop up the economy, he's borrowing to make up the shortfall. He's mortgaging your future to preserve his presidency. Every company he's owned has either flopped or been bought out by his Saudi Arabian buddies.

And that John Edwards thing, take a look at this.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/neighbor.asp

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

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