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Escaped Syrian ISIS women tell their stories

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1KIKI

Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:30 AM

kpo wanted a link. HE GOT A LINK. NOW he's decided he wants something different before he addresses the topic. So, speaking of shifting the goals posts -

- and not being derailed from my original post - let's get back to the OTHER claims he's trying to barricade himself against addressing (by making different demands):

The US was NOT the biggest global slave trader, Britain was by far. And it started earlier, and went longer than anyone else in modern times. In fact, in a mere 10 years in the 1600's, Britain sold 300,000 Irish slaves to the new world. (At the same time the British outright killed 500,000 Irish, and along with general imposed economic distress, dropped the Irish population from about 1,500,000 to 600,000, or about 90,000 per year.) Britain didn't practice (much) slavery on home soil. Nope. It exported it everywhere else it went. Please! dispute any of this. Demand links! Question my information about slavery! Snark some more!!! Be topic free and 100% personal. Do what you do best.

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, November 25, 2015 4:32 PM

ALSO, on the topic of the original story, I see that KPO really doesn't have any evidence of Assad's terrible brutality to point to in this sad story of terrorist-collaboration gone sour. Everything that he points to is rumor, untraceable to first-hand witness (Yanno, kind of like our "news!) fostered by ISIL (since ISIL was in control of "the news") and Sunni's general prejudice against anything non-Sunni.

But KPO is so vehemently anti-Russian, and therefore vehemently against Assad, that he willingly repeats ISIL's statements as evidence.

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Very little of the USA-official narrative of "Assad created ISIL" fits into this story. I mean, Where are Assad's barrel bombs? Where is this Syrian-based ISIL, and its burning desire for revenge against Assad?- SIGNY

"When the uprising against the government of President Bashar al-Assad began rippling across Syria in 2011, it seemed distant from Raqqa. As news of fighting and massacres started filtering in..."

"Abu Soheil had killed himself in an operation not against the hated Syrian Army, but against a competing rebel group that the Islamic State was trying to wipe out. “I cried for days,” she said. “He died fighting other Muslims.”"

"Mr. Assad’s forces were targeting civilians, sweeping into homes in the middle of the night and brutalizing men in front of their wives; the fighters had no choice but to respond with equal brutality, they said."

Yes, I saw that. But the terrible forces of President Assad always seem to be what someone talks about, not what anyone has actually experienced. I think this deserves a detailed discussion:

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"When the uprising against the government of President Bashar al-Assad began rippling across Syria in 2011, it seemed distant from Raqqa."

Apparently, it WAS distant from Raqqa because none of it happened in Raqqa or to anyone from Raqqa. None of the girls' family members nor any of their friends seemed to be involved in the slightest .... at least, not mentioned here, altho ONE boyfriend evidently began turning towards a more conservative Sunni fundamentalism . Did the article happen to mention that one of the complaints in Sunni-Syria was that they felt that Shia were "taking over" in terms of mosque-building and contracts?

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As news of fighting and massacres started filtering in..."
Again, apparently distant and third-hand. It might not have been "news", it might have been more like rumors. Or stories. Or propaganda, since none of it was traceable to anyone with first-hand knowledge and given the general prejudice against Shia. And by then, who knows who was in control of "the news"?

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"Abu Soheil had killed himself in an operation not against the hated Syrian Army,
You can build up hatred of a particular group ... hatred enough to go to war ... for no reason whatsoever. Heck, we hated Saddam enough to spend over a trillion dollars and kill a million people, and what did Saddam ever do to US? Just because someone is "hated" doesn't mean there's a real reason for it. ISIL for sure hated the Syrian Army, and they could have whipped up a pretty good froth against Assad in Raqqa, since Sunnis in general were prejudiced against him (Alawite).

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"Mr. Assad’s forces were targeting civilians, sweeping into homes in the middle of the night and brutalizing men in front of their wives; the fighters had no choice but to respond with equal brutality, they said."

And this is quoting ISIL. You think they're a reliable source? They have every reason to paint Assad in the worst possible colors in order to- as the article itself says- justify their own brutality.

All of this is pretty weak tea. We also should take a closer look at these so-called "moderate rebels" because what I've rea

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KPO

Wednesday, November 25, 2015 6:38 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

kpo wanted a link. HE GOT A LINK. NOW he's decided he wants something different before he addresses the topic. So, speaking of shifting the goals posts -

- and not being derailed from my original post - let's get back to the OTHER claims he's trying to barricade himself against addressing (by making different demands):

The US was NOT the biggest global slave trader, Britain was by far. And it started earlier, and went longer than anyone else in modern times. In fact, in a mere 10 years in the 1600's, Britain sold 300,000 Irish slaves to the new world. (At the same time the British outright killed 500,000 Irish, and along with general imposed economic distress, dropped the Irish population from about 1,500,000 to 600,000, or about 90,000 per year.) Britain didn't practice (much) slavery on home soil. Nope. It exported it everywhere else it went. Please! dispute any of this. Demand links! Question my information about slavery! Snark some more!!! Be topic free and 100% personal. Do what you do best.

Looks like I broke kiki, now she's just repeating herself.

It's not personal. It's just war.

KPO

Wednesday, November 25, 2015 7:03 PM

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ALSO, on the topic of the original story, I see that KPO really doesn't have any evidence of Assad's terrible brutality to point to in this sad story of terrorist-collaboration gone sour.

Any evidence? You utter clown, this article is about life in an ISIS town, and local women who decided to ally themselves with the group, and why. Assad's massacres and brutality are the backdrop to the story so of course those things are referred to, (several times as I pointed out to you, as apparently you missed it) but they're not the point of the article, so why would it go to lengths to substantiate them?

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But KPO is so vehemently anti-Russian, and therefore vehemently against Assad

LOL that you think someone must be biased to be anti-Assad. As if the killing tens of thousands and displacing millions is not bad enough. This from the person who posts graphic images of dead children to make her point.

Ha. You claim to read media from across the international and political spectrum to get a 'balanced' view, and yet you still come away with the view that Assad is a swell guy? You're full of shit.

It's not personal. It's just war.

THGRRI

Wednesday, November 25, 2015 7:57 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
ALSO, on the topic of the original story, I see that KPO really doesn't have any evidence of Assad's terrible brutality to point to in this sad story of terrorist-collaboration gone sour. Everything that he points to is rumor, untraceable to first-hand witness (Yanno, kind of like our "news!) fostered by ISIL (since ISIL was in control of "the news") and Sunni's general prejudice against anything non-Sunni.

But KPO is so vehemently anti-Russian, and therefore vehemently against Assad, that he willingly repeats ISIL's statements as evidence.

SIG in the psychology of human behavior, denialism is a person's choice to deny reality, as a way to avoid a psychologically uncomfortable truth. Denialism is an essentially irrational action that withholds the validation of an historical experience or event, by the person refusing to accept an empirically verifiable reality.

This definition fits you to a T. Now a part of that denialism of course is the person in denial also deny's to themselves, that others are aware of the fact they are not truthful.

Just so you know SIG, we know this to be true about you.

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:24 PM

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Very little of the USA-official narrative of "Assad created ISIL" fits into this story. I mean, Where are Assad's barrel bombs? Where is this Syrian-based ISIL, and its burning desire for revenge against Assad?

Side note: is this a common narrative? The ISIS/ISIL recruitment is surprisingly strong globally but I thought the message comes from Iraq. One of the main leaders is from Iraq, assuming he isn't a made up US figment, which I'm not quite sure about yet.

The middle east is such a clusterfuck that I've just about given up trying to figure out what the hell is going on there. About the best I can figure in Syria is that it's a bunch of unsavory types and factions from various places all fighting to claim territory and driving out civilians. Assad is an asshole like Saddam was an asshole - piece of shit dictator you hate to see in power, but apparently he kept the lid on the crazy. Not really sad to see him deposed, but the whole thing really is just a power vacuum now.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:26 PM

I never said that "Assad is a swell guy". Saddam wasn't a swell guy, either. Neither was the Taliban. Qaddafi relatively speaking, wasn't so bad.

But they were a far cry better than what came after, once the USA got going on its nation-destroying rampage, once we had decided that we had the right to decide who should "go" and who should "stay".

So I'm for Assad staying. AND SO IS THE UNITED NATIONS. Until a political deal can be reached that guarantees that the non-Sunnis in Syria will have all of their rights retained, and not be slaughtered like so much ISIL-fodder.

You three - THUGR, GSTRING, and KPO- are the denialists. Have you learned nothing from the last four nations that we destroyed, and the next two that we're working on?

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BYTEMITE

Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:34 PM

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I never said that "Assad is a swell guy".

And I didn't say you did, I'm just trying to figure out what the hell is going on. Where I'm standing all options in Syria look terrible.

I kinda think the only humane option is to help the civilians flee - even if there might be some terrorists hiding among them - and let all the militants fight it out. That's probably naive, and a sign of me just being uninformed. It's also basically what we've been doing up to now and the whole situation is still really ugly, possibly because we're trying not to take sides.

But I mean, what else do we do? America tries to wade in there and we're going to fuck it up again. There is nothing in the middle east that a heaping serving of American military action has ever really helped.

1KIKI

Saturday, November 28, 2015 3:05 AM

Have you...

... a point to make, with, yanno, facts, logic, topic?

Apparently not.

Nope, there you are, with your usual personal snark - and nothing else.

1KIKI

Saturday, November 28, 2015 2:27 PM

hey there krappo

I'll keep repeating myself till you can address the topic instead of dishing out your usual snark-shit.

kpo wanted a link. HE GOT A LINK. NOW he's decided he wants something different before he addresses the topic. So, speaking of shifting the goals posts -

- and not being derailed from my original post - let's get back to the OTHER claims he's trying to barricade himself against addressing (by making different demands):

The US was NOT the biggest global slave trader, Britain was by far. And it started earlier, and went longer than anyone else in modern times. In fact, in a mere 10 years in the 1600's, Britain sold 300,000 Irish slaves to the new world. (At the same time the British outright killed 500,000 Irish, and along with general imposed economic distress, dropped the Irish population from about 1,500,000 to 600,000, or about 90,000 per year.) Britain didn't practice (much) slavery on home soil. Nope. It exported it everywhere else it went. Please! dispute any of this. Demand links! Question my information about slavery! Snark some more!!! Be topic free and 100% personal. Do what you do best.