Turkish F-16 shoots down Russian aircraft

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JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, November 24, 2015 2:24 PM

SIGNYM

Tuesday, November 24, 2015 7:02 PM

Meanwhile, Russia says its planes stayed over Syrian territory.

I'm sure there are radar installations on both sides of the border as well as satellite data. Likely this will be handled by a high-level protest to ... the UN? .... where the available data will be adjudicated.

Turkey, like Kiev, wants to draw NATO into its own imbroglios because Turkey by itself doesn't have the military to challenge what Russia is doing in Syria. So Turkey will do anything provocative it thinks it can get away with TO DRAW NATO IN ON THE SIDE OF ISIL. And Turkey is STILL looking at Syria as part of its caliphate (sigh). Thhe USA (which in reality is NATO) needs to think about what it does next VERY CAREFULLY, because if we're not careful the USA military will be openly on the side if ISIL.

By now, everyone who reads this forum should know that Turkey is neck-deep in the creation of ISIL- weapons, materiel, and fresh jihadists leave Turkey, heading in one direction, while the wounded terrorists and ISIL oil head in the other. Ergogan's (Turkey's) role is to be ISIL's midwife, reliably sending Saudi and Qatari aid to jihadist terrorists in Syria.

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MEANWHILE< while pondering Obama's schizophrenic military policies in the mideast, I've come to the conclusion that he is STILL following the "Assad must go" mantra, and hoping (still) that ISIL will do his dirty work for him without getting TOO strong and TOO international. In that, he's reflecting the will of Saudi Arabia, which is terrified of a nascent revival of Shia in Syria and Iraq.

SO USA warplanes have been pecking away at Assad's and Iraq's infrastructure, blowing up hospitals and power plants and other civilian infrastructure and studiously avoiding the 500-1000+ oil-tanker convoys, just chock full of ISIL oil.

I've heard a lot of interpretations of WHAT the USA warplanes are doing in Iraq ... "marking time", "containing ISIL", "herding ISIL" ... but it came to me in a blinding flash exactly what the USA was REALLY doing in Iraq:

USA warplanes are flying air cover for ISIL in Iraq. (Jost as Saudi warplanes are flying aircover for ISIL in Yemen.)

As long as the USA warplanes are there, nobody can do jack-shit about the oil tanker convoys and convoys of tanks and armed men. It's not that there are "no targets", or "Lack of coordination with ground troops", it's that the USA DOESN'T WANT to destroy ISIL and doesn't want anyone else too, either.

Well, if I've got this correct- and I think I do- then Obama should be impeached and tried for high treason.

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Meanwhile, in Iraq, the USA was embarrassed by Putin's G20 statement about knowing who is selling and buying ISIL oil into bombing some of the convoys that have been visible for over a YEAR.

But just to be fair, the USA gave the drivers 1 45-minute warning, leafletting the convoy and buzzing it before finally dropping bombs on it almost an hour later.

"Get Out Of Your Trucks And Run Away": US Gives ISIS 45 Minute Warning On Oil Tanker Strikes
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-23/get-out-your-trucks-and-run-a
way-us-gives-isis-45-minute-warning-oil-tanker-strikes

As many have noted, that's more consideration than the USA gave the Medecins sans Frontieres hospital!

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THGRRI

Tuesday, November 24, 2015 7:51 PM

Turkey is NATO. Putin won't do shit and they were repeatedly warned. Russia has been violating Turkey's air space since it started flying in Syria. Turkey finally called Putin's bluff that he can do as he wishes and no one will do anything about it. Well, someone just did.

KPO

Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:05 PM

Worth pointing out that this Russian ground attack jet was nowhere near ISIS territory.

It's not personal. It's just war.

KPO

Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:38 PM

A good article: Putin has misjudged a leader who is very much like himself - http://www.bloombergview.com/article...rkey-s-erdogan

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...Both Putin and Erdogan are strongmen, who treat domestic politics as a scorched earth battle for power. Russia's repeated humiliation of Erdogan before his audience at home, both by bombing Turkish clients just across the border and repeatedly breaching Turkish airspace, was therefore a high-risk strategy...

It's not personal. It's just war.

KPO

Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:42 PM

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So Turkey will do anything provocative it thinks it can get away with TO DRAW NATO IN ON THE SIDE OF ISIL.

This has nothing to do with ISIS. Russia was bombing Turkey's FSA proxies, miles and miles away from ISIS territory. The Russian plane may or may not have strayed into Turkish airspace; either way, Russia's propping up the despised Assad by bombing Turkey's ethnic Turkish FSA proxies was surely what motivated Turkey in pulling the trigger.

Russia's 'bomb all the rebels fighting murderous dictator Assad, not just ISIS' strategy is blowing up in its face.

It's not personal. It's just war.

KPO

Tuesday, November 24, 2015 11:28 PM

Russia confirms death of soldier in rescue mission. FSA has released this video of a TOW (US-made anti-tank missile) strike on what it claims is a Russian helicopter, which might explain it:

Or if youtube link doesn't work RT has the same video up:
https://www.rt.com/news/323306-video-russia-helicopter-syria/

All right, who were the people who predicted that Putin's intervention in Syria would end disastrously? Step forward to collect your prizes.

It's not personal. It's just war.

KPO

Wednesday, November 25, 2015 12:39 AM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by kpo:
Worth pointing out that this Russian ground attack jet was nowhere near ISIS territory.

Of course not, what with USA running coverage for ISIS with our planes < / snort-of-a-million-ironies >

I scrolled through what she wrote the first time, and only now have just read it...

She's lost her mind. Whatever she had for a mind before, is gone. I guess we should go easy on her - what with ISIS blowing Russian planes out of the sky, Turkey shooting them out the sky, the FSA blowing up Russian helicopters with US TOWs, Crimea without electricity for 2 days and counting, the EU just voting to rollover sanctions on Russia for another 6 months and the rouble at 65 to the dollar, these are tough times to be a Putin fangirl.

It's not personal. It's just war.

RAHLMACLAREN

Wednesday, November 25, 2015 2:39 AM

G, I hope not for #2.

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"...because Turkey by itself doesn't have the military to challenge what Russia is doing in Syria."

This is near the Russian equivalent of chanting "USA! USA!" No need to beat chest around here. None of the crap in this region is to be proud of. At the very best it's trying to clean up a damn mess. Turkey is the 2nd largest active NATO military (according to Wiki). For a country their size I think they could hold their own.

Also, we of all people don't need to blame a whole country like Turkey just 'cause their Pres and some of their government are assholes.
*cough*Bush Years*cough*

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"Our findings show clearly that Turkish airspace was violated multiple times."

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Russia says its planes stayed over Syrian territory.

I guess this needs to be solidified.

Some questions I'd eventually want answers to:

1. What was the flight path of the Russian jet?

2. Where were both planes when the F-16 pulled the trigger?

3. Where was the Russian plane when the F-16's weapon made contact with it?

There is a part of Turkey that sticks south into Syria near the Latakia province where the Russian plane crashed. Maybe the Russians were trying to cut across Turkey instead of going around.

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A deputy commander of a Turkmen brigade told reporters on a trip organised [sic] by Turkish authorities that his forces had shot both pilots dead as they descended.

"Our comrades opened fire into the air and they died in the air," Alpaslan Celik said near the Syrian village of Yamadi, holding what he said was a piece of a pilot's parachute.

Ooh, personally I would've rather gone for a capture than a kill.

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1KIKI

Wednesday, November 25, 2015 2:57 AM

Turkey claims...Turkey says ...

How's that Russian INVASION of Ukraine going that Kiev kept claiming ... and repeating ... and whining about?

Any evidence of an INVASION yet?

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