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Michael Moores' F 9/11... will you see it?
POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 3, 2004 20:30
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Friday, October 29, 2004 7:08 PM
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Monday, November 1, 2004 2:23 AM
Just saw FahrenHYPE 9/11.
WOW.
Moore is a huckster. If he were spinning any faster he'd be a friggin' planet.
Check it out.
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Monday, November 1, 2004 2:56 PM
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I've changed my mind on this.
I will see this movie. I have seen "Bowling for Columbine", and last night I watched "Roger and Me" (his best movie IMHO, and the closest to a true documentary). Though I disagree with the majority of Michael Moore's politics, I have to say I find his movies (notice I didn't state documentaries)
They are documenteries. Stateing they are "propoganda" or anything else is simply stupid... yes, the people on American TV are stupid when they accuse Moore of bias.
How do I know this? Because ALL documentaries have a particular point of view. That's why they are called documentaries! If it was a so called "balanced" point of view then that would be journalism.
Micheal Moore is Americas foremost political documentarian, he has won awards around the world and is respected for his work. The lashing Moore takes from the so called "Liberal Media" shows the one true fact about the so called "Liberal Media" - that it is really a "Right Wing Media" controlled by corporate interests that support the Bush Junta and they will say anything to put Bush into the White House.
Which I just pointed out, because calling Moores movie anything but a documentary is clearly bullplop.
Ghoulman,
I couldn't disagree with you more. Michael Moore is indeed a propagandist of the highest form and as I have stated before is an incredibly talented one. There is a HUGE difference between documentaries and propaganda films. He makes propaganda films to further his political beliefs and opinions. His films tend to only show one side of a situation by specifically editing/censoring the information to further an opinion or point..aka Spin. I would hesitate to call his films out and out lies, because in every lie there typically is some grain of truth. For this reason it is important to see his films.
Documentaries , though they shed light on specific subjects are not editorial/opinion pieces. Documentaries show topics in an unbiased, uncensored light. You get the good, the bad and the ugly..see "Death in Gaza". This can't be said for Moore's films.
Just out of curiosity, would you consider FahrenHYPE 9/11 a documentary or a propaganda piece?
PS I won't be seeing FahrenHYPE 9/11, because I'm tired of reliving 9/11 over and over again..enough already I say.
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Monday, November 1, 2004 9:59 PM
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Originally posted by Connorflynn:Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:Quote:
Originally posted by Connorflynn:
I've changed my mind on this.
I will see this movie. I have seen "Bowling for Columbine", and last night I watched "Roger and Me" (his best movie IMHO, and the closest to a true documentary). Though I disagree with the majority of Michael Moore's politics, I have to say I find his movies (notice I didn't state documentaries)
They are documenteries. Stateing they are "propoganda" or anything else is simply stupid... yes, the people on American TV are stupid when they accuse Moore of bias.
How do I know this? Because ALL documentaries have a particular point of view. That's why they are called documentaries! If it was a so called "balanced" point of view then that would be journalism.
Micheal Moore is Americas foremost political documentarian, he has won awards around the world and is respected for his work. The lashing Moore takes from the so called "Liberal Media" shows the one true fact about the so called "Liberal Media" - that it is really a "Right Wing Media" controlled by corporate interests that support the Bush Junta and they will say anything to put Bush into the White House.
Which I just pointed out, because calling Moores movie anything but a documentary is clearly bullplop.
Ghoulman,
I couldn't disagree with you more. Michael Moore is indeed a propagandist of the highest form and as I have stated before is an incredibly talented one.
Connerflynn, one person can't create propoganda, that's simply not what propoganda is. It's just Micheal Moores opinion - that's why it is a legitimate documentary just like ALL the other documentaries. He's a part of the club. He has the members card. You know, the entire film community around the world agrees with me on this, it's only in the USA that this silly "propoganda" charge gets any play.
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There is a HUGE difference between documentaries and propaganda films. He makes propaganda films to further his political beliefs and opinions.
He makes documentaries to further his political beliefs and opinions... that's what documentaries are for.
Go to film school America.
Please!
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His films tend to only show one side of a situation by specifically editing/censoring the information to further an opinion or point..aka Spin.
It's up to the viewer to decide if that spin holds up to facts. I have checked and Mikes' facts are just fine. As I've said on another thread - the Saudi connections Mike makes are, to Canadians, old news - a doc program here reported the same connections to the Bush family in 2003 as F9/11 did (shock!). I have a complete confirmation of those facts in F9/11 from a totally different source in a totally different country a frickin' YEAR before F9/11 even came out!
Beat that.
I don't win arguements here because I'm so damn clever, it's just that I've been given the facts... TWICE!
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I would hesitate to call his films out and out lies, because in every lie there typically is some grain of truth. For this reason it is important to see his films.
Uhh, no. If it's just spin it's just a lie - the truth must be clear not confusing. I digress...
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Documentaries , though they shed light on specific subjects are not editorial/opinion pieces.
That's exactly what a documentary is.
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Documentaries show topics in an unbiased, uncensored light.
No, they don't. That's journalism.
Say you rent a doc about the rain forest. Now, this doc is made by one person or a university research grant. Now, since this documentary isn't done by a forestry company do you think it will show the great prosperity and growth the people involved in destroying the rain forest will enjoy?
It will be a one sided point of view.
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You get the good, the bad and the ugly..see "Death in Gaza". This can't be said for Moore's films.
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Wednesday, November 3, 2004 8:30 PM
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