Wahhabsim: The philosophy of Saudi jiahd, and ISIS

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, October 27, 2015 8:15 PM

I've been doing some research on this, and I thought I would share what I found.

Much of the Sunni world is driven by Wahhabism, which was spread throughout the Muslim world by Saudi wealth (a four decades-long project).

Looking into Wahhabism and its tennets, I can see how al Qaida and ISIS came into being, and why the internecine warfare between Wahhabist Sunni and Shia.

Wahhabism is, as they say, an "austere" interpretation of Islam. It depends on several main tenets:

The first is that any Islamic interpretation other than Wahhabism deserves death. There is no co-existance with Wahhabism. It's either "convert of die". Most other interpretations are tolerant, not only of other Islamic sects, but of other religions. Not Wahhabism. Wahhabis reserve their special enmity for the Shiite interpretation of Islam.

Killing someone of course allows you to steal their goods, including women and children. (Clearly, women and children are considered "property" under Wahhabism. It's an underlying tenet that they don't say out loud but is practiced freely.)

Wahhabism is an extremely accusatory religion; it rests on denunciation of others by its adherents in order to "prove" their faith. That means denouncing local Islamic customs and practices (which I'll get to in a moment) and especially denouncing and killing Shia Muslims.

One who denounces another is a "takfir". Wahhabism is sometimes called Takfirism because of this regular practice of denouncing others, and lining them up for being killed (and stealing their goods and land).

For whatever reason, the adherents of Wahhabism resort to horrific ways of killing people. That's been a foundational characteristic since the beginning of the religion in 1740.

Another tenet requires that all other objects of worship be destroyed, since they distract from the worship of Allah alone. That means objects and places of worship aside from mosques: tombs of respected (revered) mullahs/imams, gravestones, etc. The destruction of historical sites isn't just malicious vandalism, it's part of their religion.

Wahhabism is also very political. In addition to worshiping Allah, and only Allah, Wahhabism requires singular faithfulness to the caliph. So there's a direct line, from Allah to Mohammed to the caliph (whoever that is) - and gruesome death to anyone who believes differently.

There's more, but basically the tennets of Wahhabism were used by ibn Saud (and sons) to provide a religious authority to banditry and barbarism. It's been the foundation of Saudi Arabia since 1920.

In that light, the practices of ISIS aren't new. They're a reversion to the Wahhabism of old, and should have been predictable.

THGRRI

Wednesday, October 28, 2015 8:12 AM

Former Chess Champ Kasparov: Make Putin Look Like a Loser

“He is getting crazier and crazier. Yes, he’s running out of money and he’s still spending a lot of his remaining funds on military, security and propaganda. This is the war budget and if he’s really desperate, he’ll start new wars -- war about crossing innate borders in The Baltic State. Or also trying to push ISIS down south to start with Arabia.”

http://www.foxbusiness.com/business-leaders/2015/10/27/former-chess-ch
amp-kasparov-make-putin-look-like-loser/

SIGNYM

Wednesday, October 28, 2015 8:30 PM

Russia has a public debt to GDP ratio of somewhere around 10%, according to the World Bank, the CIA, and the IMF
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/GC.DOD.TOTL.GD.ZS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

OR currently around 17% by some measures
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/government-debt-to-gdp

Russia has a decreased but still positive balance of trade, even with the sanctions in place (i.e. a trade surplus)
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/balance-of-trade

a domestic private debt of 59% to credit ratio
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/FS.AST.PRVT.GD.ZS

And foreign reserves around $360 billion

Do you know which nation has been bankrupted by war and mismanagements???

The UNITED STATES

By any measure, the USA is broke, with a balance of trade that has been strongly and unbrokenly negative since about 1974,
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/balance-of-trade

and public debt of at least 80% of GDP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

a domestic private debt of 104% to credit ratio
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/FS.AST.PRVT.GD.ZS

and a NONFINANCIAL DEBT of 240% of GDP. (If you include financial debt, that goes even higher)
http://www.ibtimes.com/exploding-private-plus-government-debt-gdp-davo
s-world-economic-forum-conversation-starter-1544648

The only thing that saves the USA's bacon is that it has Special Drawing Rights (SDR) at the IMF, which allows its currency to be used as a reserve currency by other nations. (BTW, China's currency will probably achieve SDR next month, anticipated to take some wind out of the USA sails.)
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Russia/United-States/
Economy

IF anybody should be frightened by future economic trends, its the USA ...

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

THGRRI

Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:23 PM

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SIG
Russia has a public debt to GDP ratio of somewhere around 10%, according to the World Bank, the CIA, and the IMF
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/GC.DOD.TOTL.GD.ZS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

Russia built up it's reserves when oil was $147.00 a barrel. The numbers you post rely on 2010 numbers when oil averaged $80.00 a barrel. Today oil goes for half that, $43.12 a barrel. Add to that loss of revenues from the sanctions and the fact that Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov "prompted more concerns over the health of the Russian economy Tuesday when he said there was a danger that the country's vast Reserve Fund could be entirely exhausted in 2016 if oil prices stay at their current level." I will be reposting this post again in 8 months or less as one more example that you are dishonest, know nothing and just post propaganda.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/27/russias-reserve-fund-could-run-empty-in
-2016.html

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SIG
OR currently around 17% by some measures
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/government-debt-to-gdp

Russia Government Debt to GDP is 17.92 Percent for 2013. The 2015 Forecast 35.0296, and the 2017 forecast is 56.4738. Not so good huh?

http://ieconomics.com/russia-government-debt-to-gdp-forecast

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SIG

Russia has a decreased but still positive balance of trade, even with the sanctions in place (i.e. a trade surplus)
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/balance-of-trade

Russia's Foreign Trade Is Collapsing

"Foreign trade marginally decreased over the course of 2014. Through the first three quarters, exports were off by about 4.5% and imports were off by 2.1%. That’s not catastrophic by any means, but it was clear deceleration from the previous trend and suggested that there would be further trouble on the horizon. The collapse in oil prices that took place over the last few months of 2014, and the attendant fall in the value of the ruble, made it all but certain that the first few months of 2015 were going to be ugly." That's now factual and it get's worse from here.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2015/03/25/russias-foreign-tr
ade-is-collapsing/

THGRRI

Thursday, October 29, 2015 2:55 AM

We have a gross national product of 18 trillion in the United States. We collected 6.6 trillion in 2014 in taxes. Do the math. While what we owe sucks and borderlines on stupid, paying it off is certainly doable.

1KIKI

Thursday, October 29, 2015 12:09 PM

"We have a gross national product of 18 trillion in the United States. We collected 6.6 trillion in 2014 in taxes. Do the math. While what we owe sucks and borderlines on stupid, paying it off is certainly doable."

Let's see ... about 326 million people total need about 500 each per month for food

* 12 months = 2 trillion just for food. If food is about 10% of the average personal budget, http://www.valuepenguin.com/average-household-budget, then the total amount of money needed DIRECTLY SPENT ON PEOPLE is 20 trillion, more or less.

So, we could pay it off out of the total GDP if we had nothing else to do with the money ... if we didn't let people eat or drink or clothe themselves or live in buildings or ...

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Friday, October 30, 2015 3:10 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"We have a gross national product of 18 trillion in the United States. We collected 6.6 trillion in 2014 in taxes. Do the math. While what we owe sucks and borderlines on stupid, paying it off is certainly doable."

Let's see ... about 326 million people total need about 500 each per month for food

* 12 months = 2 trillion just for food. If food is about 10% of the average personal budget, http://www.valuepenguin.com/average-household-budget, then the total amount of money needed DIRECTLY SPENT ON PEOPLE is 20 trillion, more or less.

So, we could pay it off out of the total GDP if we had nothing else to do with the money ... if we didn't let people eat or drink or clothe themselves or live in buildings or ...

Yeah ok, I am not sure I understand what it is you are saying except we here know you as a commie socialist. In other words you want to do away with private industry and let the government run everything. I don't think economics is your strong suite. Opps, I know economics is not your strong suite.

SIGNYM

Sunday, November 1, 2015 11:16 PM

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Erdogan party on track to winning back majority in Turkey

More ISIS-luvin' from Turkey!

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, November 2, 2015 5:31 AM

Interesting initial post, signy. I've read a bit about Wahhabism and its inluence on modern Islam - got to despise religious extremists, don't you. The sooner the human population shrugs off the yoke of religion the better.

1KIKI

Monday, November 2, 2015 6:11 AM

Still waiting for THUGGR to address the simple math of his fantasy.

We have a gross national product of 18 trillion in the United States. We collected 6.6 trillion in 2014 in taxes. Do the math. While what we owe sucks and borderlines on stupid, paying it off is certainly doable.

Let's see ... about 326 million people total need about 500 each per month for food

* 12 months = 2 trillion just for food. If food is about 10% of the average personal budget, http://www.valuepenguin.com/average-household-budget, then the total amount of money needed DIRECTLY SPENT ON PEOPLE is 20 trillion, more or less.

So, we could pay it off out of the total GDP if we had nothing else to do with the money ... if we didn't let people eat or drink or clothe themselves or live in buildings or ...

Wait, according to THUGGR, pointing out that people can't survive on NOTHING is socialist.

And, oh yeah ...

THUGGR

Humanitarian. (snicker)
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=58208&p=5
Who gives a shit?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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