Anti Intellectualism is Killing America

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I'm just sitting here twiddling my thumz waiting for you and all the suppozedly lojik and sientific evidence based problem solving progressivez to join me.

You want us to join you and solve - Global warming? Overpopulation? The ongoing mass extinction? Human aggression? Anything at all important?



Or do you want us to help you masturbate to your little obsession?
Eeewwwww ....

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SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Do you see the difference between "All Australians" and "Australians?" I only see a very subtle difference, one that allows someone to paint an entire nation, culture, race, society with a broad brush and then deny it.

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You're arguing for the sake of argument. You're offended because you think that somehow the article says 'G, you're an anti intellectual who doesn't believe in evolution and global warming' and that I'm posting it because I think all americans are stupid and you're rushing to defend both yourself and your fellow country men that have been unfairly criticiqued.

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I think you get a slanted view of the US because it SELLS. Lots of people outside the US like to read how the "mighty have fallen." Does that seem unlikely to you? I'm not sure you believe that is a fact.

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Nothing to do with my views on the US at all. I posted an article, mused that the premise applied to both Australia and the UK and said that I saw evidence of this kind of thinking on these boards, where over the years I've seen a variety of posters post nonsense directly attributed to right winged shock jock commentators in a parrot like and simplistic manner.

I actually know very little about the US, and apart from coming on these boards and joining in the odd conversation, have very little comment or thought on american society or politics. I'm interested in how US foreign policy impacts on the world, although less interested now that I was say 10 years ago, and some broad interest in trends that appear to develop within the US and get spread elsewhere, but that's about it. I mostly don't have strong feelings one way or another....vaguely interested would have to be about as strong as it gets. Sorry to disappoint.

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No, saying something effects Australia is not the same as saying "Australians think."

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Semantics again?? The article doesnt say "Americans think..." and nor did I.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

You want us to join you and solve - Global warming? Overpopulation? The ongoing mass extinction? Human aggression? Anything at all important?



Or do you want us to help you masturbate to your little obsession?
Eeewwwww ....

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See?

You only like to gripe about and argue with conservativ idiots. You dont want to DO anything real.

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Like your little fantasy is real. HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...


Btw - I've done more to help the planet than you've ever done about anything at all. I guarantee it. Total up family and volunteer work as well, and you'd have a hard time catching up to all the real things I've changed.

But hey, just go back to your mom's basement, and keep repeating to yourself you're in service of a Great Cause. Because it's easier to immerse yourself in an ego-stroking fantasy of your own creation than deal with the real world.

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SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Like your little fantasy is real. HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...


Btw - I've done more to help the planet than you've ever done about anything at all. I guarantee it. Total up family and volunteer work as well, and you'd have a hard time catching up to all the real things I've changed.

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Such az?

And your lojik iz flawed. 1. You doing sum good duznt = my project iz bad. 2. Wen did it bekum a competition? You are saying 'my good deedz are better than your good deedz so I dont hav to do anything.'

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But hey, just go back to your mom's basement, and keep repeating to yourself you're in service of a Great Cause. Because it's easier to immerse yourself in an ego-stroking fantasy of your own creation than deal with the real world.

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See?! You just cant help yourself!

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JO753, YOUR logic is flawed.

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your lojik iz flawed. 1. You doing sum good duznt = my project iz bad.

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No, that's not what KIKI is saying, that's what YOU'VE been saying.

Because, in your humble opinion, YOUR project is SO important that unless people buy into it they're "conservative" and "illogical" and "anti-intellectual"... despite the fact that they may be progressive, logical, and intellectual on every other project except yours. So in your humble opinion, YOUR project is SO important that whether or not someone participates in it or not trumps whether or not they're doing ANYTHING ELSE in politics, the environment, inter-relationships, food safety, education, war, or the myriad of OTHER things people might be doing on their own behalf and that of others. Just look at how you attacked MAGONS for being conservative just because she doesn't buy into your scheme. I have to say .... really??

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2. Wen did it bekum a competition? You are saying 'my good deedz are better than your good deedz so I dont hav to do anything.'

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And your single-minded (some might say monomaniacal*) focus on phonetic spelling reveals itself right here, in your wording...

The sentence that you wrote says, in essence I'm already doing something so I don't have to do anything. Since the person is already doing "something", how is it that they don't have to do "anything"?

Oh, you mean "anything ... along the lines of phonetic spelling" ! You failed to put your specific project in context, which I think that reveals a personal lack of context as well.

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I think that you're looking for a key that will unlock a new and better way of thinking for people, and while I agree that people need a new and better way of thinking (or maybe just a reliable way of engaging the thought process) I'm fairly certain that it'll take a lot more than phonetic language to get there. The reason why I say this is because, looking at the actions of societies which ALREADY have phonetic languages (German, French, Spanish, Russian, Portuguese, Hungarian etc) a lot of illogic still occurs on a personal and social/national scale: war, economic crises, power hierarchies, overpopulation, empire-building, and other self-created disasters. Phonetic language hasn't seemed to have prevented all that. I wish it was that simple.

Its not that phonetic languages are without merit. Phonetic languages do have several possible advantages: they're easier to write, teach, and learn, and because of that it's easier to have a more-universally educated population. (I note that "educated" doesn't mean "intellectual".)

For example, my guess is that with idiographic languages like Mandarin, writing is an art form: each "word" is an individual complex picture which can't be constructed from simpler forms. Because of that, it's hard to reproduce thru mechanical printing: you can't just lay in blocks of letters, each word has to be hand-crafted (calligraphy) and there are potentially thousands of individual pictures which would need to be crafted, not just 26. Because of lack of distributed written material, entire past generations have not been formally educated, and entire memes about knowledge have been embedded in society.

After all, what was Martin Luther's big idea? It was that each person should have an individual relationship with god, not mediated by the Hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church. Each person should read and interpret the Bible. That would have been impossible without the printing press. It's only the advent of photocopy and computers which have made teaching and distributing idiographic language possible.

In addition, it's difficult to add new words to account for new things. I've been told that Mandarin doesn't have plurals or possessives or past o

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
JO753, YOUR logic is flawed.

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Severely! But less than most other peeplz.

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Because, in your humble opinion, YOUR project is SO important that unless people buy into it they're "conservative" and "illogical" and "anti-intellectual"... despite the fact that they may be progressive, logical, and intellectual on every other project except yours.

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My opinion iznt humble. I tried the humble thing long ago and it duznt work. You gotta be bold and loud or you will be ignored.

Like Mal sed to Safron "50 odd planets spinning round the Verse & not a 1 haz ever been inherited by the meek".

In the case uv the Nooalf Revolution, there iz no reazon to be agenst it. Being agenst sumthing without having a lojikl objection iz quintessential conservatizm.

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So in your humble opinion, YOUR project is SO important that whether or not someone participates in it or not trumps whether or not they're doing ANYTHING ELSE in politics, the environment, inter-relationships, food safety, education, war, or the myriad of OTHER things people might be doing on their own behalf and that of others.

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No. You can do other thingz. I'm just saying therez an opportunity here for anybody to help that takes very little effort and time for potentialy huje benefits.

Everybody needz to consider their ability to shape the future, not just billionairez. Doing sumthing pozitiv, even if its not sumthing that directly affects you.

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And your single-minded (some might say monomaniacal*) focus on phonetic spelling reveals itself right here

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I believe we'v gon over this point befor. You dont win the Olympics by casually training on weekendz wen you dont hav anything else to do. The obsessed guy (sum mite say monomaniacal) with the most talent will take the gold. The less talented obsessed maniacs will take silver, bronz, and all the other plasez. The non-obsessed weekend guyz are not in the competition. At best, they are in the audiens thinking "I couda dun that".

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I think that you're looking for a key that will unlock a new and better way of thinking for people, and while I agree that people need a new and better way of thinking (or maybe just a reliable way of engaging the thought process) I'm fairly certain that it'll take a lot more than phonetic language to get there.

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True. Humanz on averaj are barely better than animalz at thinking, and thats only bekuz uv the small % uv outstanding jeniusez. Most are basicly herd beasts who benefit by being compatible with the teknolojy being created.

The brain power iz there. The software iz crap. Nooalf iz better software.
Where do you think America woud be now if English alwayz had fonetic spelling? The fact that other nationz hav fonetic systemz and havent dun az well duznt mean bad systemz work better for society.

You talk about China. It wuz stagnent for 5,000 yirz and their low literacy rates were a key part uv that. You probably know the story uv the Emperor who executed an advizor who segjested they create an alfabetic system.

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In fact, the ability to add new words ... to make concrete new ideas ... seems to have enhanced our ability to pass along stupid, baseless ideas, as well as useful ones.

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Dont you think it helps the spred uv nonsens if peepl dont expect thingz to make sense? That emperor sure did!


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JO753, YOUR logic is flawed.- SIGNY

Severely! But less than most other peeplz-JO

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Hmmm... are you sure?

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Because, in your humble opinion, YOUR project is SO important that unless people buy into it they're "conservative" and "illogical" and "anti-intellectual"... despite the fact that they may be progressive, logical, and intellectual on every other project except yours.- SIGNY

My opinion iznt humble. I tried the humble thing long ago and it duznt work. You gotta be bold and loud or you will be ignored.irony.

Like Mal sed to Safron "50 odd planets spinning round the Verse & not a 1 haz ever been inherited by the meek". -JO

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You didn't recognize irony.

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In the case uv the Nooalf Revolution, there iz no reazon to be agenst it. Being agenst sumthing without having a lojikl objection iz quintessential conservatizm. - JO

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I agree. Or maybe my more political friends would call it being reactionary. Which in some ways is opposite of being intellectual. (Not a total antonym, some of the shades of meaning are off, but close.) However, just because a person is conservative in one area doesn't mean they're convervative everyhwere. I know some very conscientious progressive scientists who still believe in god. Everybody's got a bug in their thinking somewhere. Even you.

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So in your humble opinion, YOUR project is SO important that whether or not someone participates in it or not trumps whether or not they're doing ANYTHING ELSE in politics, the environment, inter-relationships, food safety, education, war, or the myriad of OTHER things people might be doing on their own behalf and that of others.-SIGNY

No. You can do other thingz. I'm just saying therez an opportunity here for anybody to help that takes very little effort and time for potentialy huje benefits.-JO

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There are three points wrapped up in that paragraph.

The first is that there are things that can be done. Other than being generally supportive of the idea, what is there to do?

The other part is that it takes little effort. That's where an explanation of what there is to do would help, then people could judge the effort for themseveles.

The third is the potentially huge benefit. That is where I think I disagree the most. I see a real benefit ... I watched my MIL, husband, and daughter struggle with spelling (for different reasons) and I think written English is a bear to learn. But I don't see a potentially huge benefits, because phonetic languages have not proven themselves to be able to deliver on that.

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Everybody needz to consider their ability to shape the future, not just billionairez. Doing sumthing pozitiv, even if its not sumthing that directly affects you.

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I wholeheartedly agree. But many people are ALREADY doing something positive, just not in your area of concern.

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And your single-minded (some might say monomaniacal*) focus on phonetic spelling reveals itself right here- SIGNY

I believe we'v gon over this point befor.- JO

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Possibly. If so, I apologize for making you go through it again.

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You dont win the Olympics by casually training on weekendz wen you dont hav anything else to do. The obsessed guy (sum mite say monomaniacal) with the most talent will take the gold. The less talented obsessed maniacs will take silver, bronz, and all the other plasez. The non-obsessed weekend guyz are not in the competition. At best, they are in the audiens thinking "I couda dun that".

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OK, you're on a mission.

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I think that you're looking for a key that will unlock a new and better way of thinking for people, and while I agree that people need a new and better way of thinking (or maybe just a reliable way of engaging the thought process) I'm fairly certain that it'll take a lot more than phonetic language to get there.-SIGNY

True. Humanz on averaj are barely better than animalz at t

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