Dumbest Actor Will Join Stupidest Actress on Same TV Show.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I watched CSI off and on when William Petersen was there, he is such an awesome actor. I followed him from the movie Manhunter, which is a great psychological thriller a la Silence of the Lambs. I watched mainly because of him and Marg Helgenberger, and once he left the show, after 10 years, CSI went due south.

There are rumors he's returning for the show's finale, both he and Helgenberger.
So maybe there will be some smart writing for a change, there will definitely be some intelligent and talent-laden acting.

So there's a bit of good news - the show ending it's run and Petersen making an appearence. Now all we need is for our girl Melinda Clarke to show up and the circle will be complete.


SGG

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I followed William L Petersen since To Live and Die in L.A.
Did you mean to say that Silence of the Lambs is the sequel to Manhunter? Or are you confused about that fact?
One of many reasons I loved Mulholland Falls: William L Petersen and Rob Lowe (very scarce and unpopular at that time) in their scenes to start the film and set the tone, and Melinda Clarke as well.

To be clear, none of the actors in this post are referred to in the title of thread, and I'm almost ashamed to include them under such heading - imagine the search results with such conflicting data.

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No confusion here Jake, just comparing notes on great films that resonate tonally. Being that Silence was released in 1991, I would say that Manhunter (1986) was the precursor for the genre (and underappreciated for it's time). It set the tone, literally, for Silence. It is, beyond question, one of the top thrillers of our time.

Here is the movie's description as depicted on Rotten Tomatoes:

"Manhunter, a rough precursor to Silence of the Lambs (which was also based on a novel by Thomas Harris), follows an FBI agent (William Petersen) who brings maniacal killers to justice by duplicating their mindset. The agent's last case, Dr. Hannibal Lektor (played here by Brian Cox), caused his early retirement, but he reactivates himself to solve a mystery involving a killer who murders entire families. The movie, like the Thomas Harris novel, is also known as Red Dragon."

Written and directed by Michael Mann, it remains, for me, one of the scariest and suspenseful movies of all time. It was ahead of it's time, and just 5 years later Jonathan Demme directs perhaps the most well-known crime/horror movie of the modern film era - Silence. I believe it owes much to the first of it's kind, Manhunter, both from novels written by Thomas Harris. Of course, years ago, I was unaware of Manhunter's background and story development. I am much more aware now, but ultimately, I know what I like.

So yes, Silence of the Lambs is a sequel of sorts to Manhunter, they are fraternal twins in Hollywood circles. So no, I'm not confused.

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That is one of the worse reviews I've read (edit: the one from Rotten Tomatoes), as if they have no clue that the books are sequels, and the film based on the books are also from the same series.
They are not sequels "of sorts" unless you consider Aliens to not be a sequel of Alien. Almost all different cast, switched from horror to action genre, different form of Alien (pod to queen). Hannibal Lector is the common character threading through the books - and he didn't change much, just his circumstances, and the actor who played him.
The book for Red Dragon/Manhunter set the tone for the film. The sequel, silence, followed the tone of the first. But many others jumped in during that span.

All of these types of characters, Profilers, CSIs, NCISs, L&Os are derived from John Edward Douglas who did this groundwork alone and almost at the cost of his sanity. Read his book Mind Hunter, where the FBI so devalued this critical work that they shut down the Behavioral Sciences U

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Since you thought my "review" was so bad, and since your main complaint was in regard to my comment about the "sort of" sequel SOTL, well, below is a quote from IMDB. It's in answer to the question "Is SOTL a sequel to Manhunter?

"There are two schools of thought on this. One could certainly argue that The Silence of the Lambs is a sequel to Manhunter, since it features three of the same characters from Manhunter, that is, Hannibal Lecter, Jack Crawford, and Dr. Frederick Chilton (played respectively by Brian Cox, Dennis Farina, and Benjamin Hendrickson in Manhunter and Anthony Hopkins, Scott Glenn, and Anthony Heald in The Silence of the Lambs). On the other hand, Manhunter was not a successful film, which is why Dino De Laurentiis chose not to produce this film. When The Silence of the Lambs was released, it was not marketed as a sequel to Manhunter. All references from the book that mention Will "the Red Dragon" Graham have been excised from the film. The two returning cast members, Frankie Faison and Dan Butler, play different roles. It's also worth noting that in early drafts, when the producers were not sure if they could use the characters from Manhunter, Ted Tally changed those characters' names to cut all ties with Manhunter. They were eventually changed back. However, given that Tally also wrote the screenplay for Red Dragon, which featured three out of four actors returning to their roles, including Faison playing his Silence role, it is more likely that Manhunter is meant to be part of a separate continuity, while Red Dragon is meant to be a direct prequel to The Silence of the Lambs."

Here's my take on a movie sequel: Does the main character appear in the second movie? and Does the story continue?

You use the example of Alien and Aliens. Perfect! The character Ripley is both in Alien and Aliens; Aliens is a continuation of Alien. That wasn't so hard, was it now!? Of course, you may have a different take on the subject, which you have every right to have (which I have come to expect from you).

Now, in our first example, SOTL and Manhunter, you picked on a sentence at the end of my "review" that pointed out how I felt SOTL was a "sequel of sorts" (actually, you overreacted) and you proceeded to launch into a hissy fit, of sorts (you see what I did there?). Anyway, allow me to retort:

Does the main character appear in the second movie?

Although similarly themed, Will Graham, our Manhunter, does not appear in the second movie, in our case study SOTL.

Next.

Does the story continue?

Although similarly themed, we do have a new Manhunter, Clarice Starling (the story is from her point of view, quite literally), we have a different story - the hunt and capture of Buffalo Bill.

The precursor to CSI, that's where this all started.

The Connection:

What confuses you is the connection of the characters Dr. Chilton, Agent Crawford and Dr. Hannibal Lector with both films - Manhunter and SOTL.
That's why, for me, the two films have a link to one another, hence my initial thought that this is a hybrid, or "sort of" a sequel.

There are those that would call all of this so much bullshit, but that's their problem - I do not give a shyte! Each man's opinion is his own. After all, we live in a free society - do we not!

Now, you may try to dismantle my opinion, if you so choose. It matters not, for they're my thoughts on the matter and you have yours, for me there is no argument because we each believe as we do. Nothing either of us say will change the mind or heart of the other. By the way, I do see your point, but did you see mine. You picked a sentence, one, out of what I said without having mentioned the paragraphs preceding that particular comment.

No mention of "precursor" or "It set the tone" or "it owes much to the first of it's kind, Manhunter," Like little bread crumbs left behind for Hansel & Gretel, these were clues to m

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Since you thought my "review" was so bad,

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It was the RT review, which I have clarified in the post just now. The RT review was in your quote.

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and since your main complaint was in regard to my comment about the "sort of" sequel SOTL, well, below is a quote from IMDB. It's in answer to the question "Is SOTL a sequel to Manhunter?

"There are two schools of thought on this. One could certainly argue that The Silence of the Lambs is a sequel to Manhunter, since it features three of the same characters from Manhunter, that is, Hannibal Lecter, Jack Crawford, and Dr. Frederick Chilton (played respectively by Brian Cox, Dennis Farina, and Benjamin Hendrickson in Manhunter and Anthony Hopkins, Scott Glenn, and Anthony Heald in The Silence of the Lambs). On the other hand, Manhunter was not a successful film, which is why Dino De Laurentiis chose not to produce this film. When The Silence of the Lambs was released, it was not marketed as a sequel to Manhunter. All references from the book that mention Will "the Red Dragon" Graham have been excised from the film. The two returning cast members, Frankie Faison and Dan Butler, play different roles. It's also worth noting that in early drafts, when the producers were not sure if they could use the characters from Manhunter, Ted Tally changed those characters' names to cut all ties with Manhunter. They were eventually changed back. However, given that Tally also wrote the screenplay for Red Dragon, which featured three out of four actors returning to their roles, including Faison playing his Silence role, it is more likely that Manhunter is meant to be part of a separate continuity, while Red Dragon is meant to be a direct prequel to The Silence of the Lambs."

Here's my take on a movie sequel: Does the main character appear in the second movie? and Does the story continue?

You use the example of Alien and Aliens. Perfect! The character Ripley is both in Alien and Aliens; Aliens is a continuation of Alien.

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You are trying both edges of the sword now. 3 Characters are the same in the series of books from Thomas Harris, and the films that follow, so this series is not a series and no sequels are produced - yet only one character remains throughout the Alien franchise (Ripley) so it IS a series, including a sequel?
I didn't care if Zathura was not marketed as a sequel to Jumanji - I liked it far better, with a far greater cast (Josh Hutcherson, Kristen Stewart, Dax Sheppard compared to Bonnie Hunt, Dunst, and that idiot Robin). Marketing does not subvert the truth.

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Now, in our first example, SOTL and Manhunter, you picked on a sentence at the end of my "review" that pointed out how I felt SOTL was a "sequel of sorts" (actually, you overreacted) and you proceeded to launch into a hissy fit, of sorts (you see what I did there?). Anyway, allow me to retort:

Does the main character appear in the second movie?

Although similarly themed, Will Graham, our Manhunter, does not appear in the second movie, in our case study SOTL.

Next.

Does the story continue?

Although similarly themed, we do have a new Manhunter, Clarice Starling (the story is from her point of view, quite literally), we have a different story - the hunt and capture of Buffalo Bill.

The precursor to CSI, that's where this all started.

The Connection:

What confuses you is the connection of the characters Dr. Chilton, Agent Crawford and Dr. Hannibal Lector with both films - Manhunter and SOTL.
That's why, for me, the two films have a link to one another, hence my initial thought that this is a hybrid, or "sort of" a sequel.

There are those that would call all of this so much bullshit, but that's their problem - I do not give a shyte! Each man's opinion is his own. After all, we live in a free society - do we not!

Now, you may try to dismantle my opinion, if you so choose. It matters not

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