They took away Christmas . . .
POSTED BY: kef
UPDATED: Monday, August 25, 2003 00:52
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If anyone's confused, I was trying to rename/remake this thread so it's more to the point. Didn't work.
Anyway, this thread for the grand and glorious purpose of interpreting, theorizing and discussing all Riverspeak, and any theories about River in general.
Riverspeak is extremely fascinating to me.
Please contribute your thoughts!
Further thoughts about River's Christmas rant . . .
The three of them are sitting there in custody, and Jayne tells Simon to shut up because he needs to think. A few moments later River says, "They took away Christmas . . . "
What I think is happening is that River is reading Jayne's SUBCONCIOUS mind. She's getting an emotional impression of what Jayne is FEELING subconciously, and interpreting it the best way she can.
Possibly this fits in with what Simon said in the diagnostic room about how her brain is working now, since they stripped her amygdala? - "She feels everything. She can't not."
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Someone pointed out somewhere that River was actually slashing the Blue Sun logo on Jayne's shirt. Apparently it's in the actual script. It's the same reason she tore the labels off the cans in Shindig. (is that the right episode?)
Maybe River was saying that the Blue Sun logo looked better in red- bloodstained- i.e. they have blood on their hands. Think about it.
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"Just keep walking, preacher."
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I think that you are on the right track.
Also, River apears to tap into memories as well. The lecture she gives about not peaking at the presents "its gready and not in the spirit of the holiday" sounded like it could be a memory of Jayne's mother explaining Christmass when he was a child.
When she wakes up and says "A copper for a kiss?", I thought she could be tapping into a Jayne memory of a first kiss. He seemed to be noticing her as a woman when he was reviving the Tams.
In another episode she rattles off the official designation of Serenity just as Mal enters. He said that even he can't remember all that. I thought that that was exactly where she came up with it.
This is my favorite series.
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I think that you are on the right track.
Also, River apears to tap into memories as well. The lecture she gives about not peaking at the presents "its gready and not in the spirit of the holiday" sounded like it could be a memory of Jayne's mother explaining Christmass when he was a child.
Tapping into merories- definitely. Although in this case my theory is that she's basically just picking up on Jayne's disappointment at losing the reward. (although perhaps it's triggering a subconcious memory in him of childhood disappointment?)
Then she says "Don't look in the closet- it's greedy." I think she means that Jayne has a 'skeleton in his closet' - being greedy, he turned them in for the reward.
Someone else in another thread wrote that (I'm not sure I'm getting this right) after Jayne learned what had been done to River, he no longer felt right about turning her in and collecting the reward. They (the ones who messed with River) took away Christmas for him.
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When she wakes up and says "A copper for a kiss?", I thought she could be tapping into a Jayne memory of a first kiss.
My take was this: After she says "A copper for a kiss?" (right after Jayne returns from alerting the Fed officer, turning them in) Jayne, startled, says "Jesus." Is this a reference to Judas betraying Jesus with a kiss, for thirty pieces of silver?
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He seemed to be noticing her as a woman when he was reviving the Tams.
That's an interesting thought!
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In another episode she rattles off the official designation of Serenity just as Mal enters. He said that even he can't remember all that. I thought that that was exactly where she came up with it.
Yeah, exactly! I missed that one.
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This is my favorite series.
Big ditto on that.
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Originally posted by kef:
Someone pointed out somewhere that River was actually slashing the Blue Sun logo on Jayne's shirt. Apparently it's in the actual script. It's the same reason she tore the labels off the cans in Shindig. (is that the right episode?)
Maybe River was saying that the Blue Sun logo looked better in red- bloodstained- i.e. they have blood on their hands. Think about it.
Excellent point Kef. Hadn't considered that theory. makes me want to go back and rewatch "Ariel".
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heh. I'm sure someone else has already mentioned this somewhere else, but I figure it can't hurt to add in my own insight.
Has anyone thought about why they [the writers] named the character River?
Rivers can be altered or blocked, but they still flow around obstacles, usually man made. Kind of like what the blue meanies have done to River's brain.
As for the Christmas comment, I have an additional look at it. Traditionally, Christmas is about family. On this show, family means the crew. Maybe River knew how the Captain would react? Maybe Jayne won’t be as much of a member of crew anymore?
Nixx
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Originally posted by arcplayer:
In another episode she rattles off the official designation of Serenity just as Mal enters. He said that even he can't remember all that. I thought that that was exactly where she came up with it.
Don't forget, in addition to being psychic, River's also a fricking genius, so she didn't really have to look into Mal's head to pull up stats on the ship. I didn't sound to me as if they were specific to Serenity, I think Mal would have a been a little freaked out if they had been, more likely they were just general details in common to all Firefly ships.
"I was gonna get me an ear, too." - Jayne
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The "A copper for a kiss" and Jayne's subsequent "Jesus Christ!" seemed to me to be a blatant refernce to Judas betraying Christ.
And I assumed that the Christmas thing referred to Jayne ending up with no reward. But if that's the case, then what the heck is the whole closet reference about?
I love Riverspeak too.
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::And I assumed that the Christmas thing referred to Jayne ending up with no reward. But if that's the case, then what the heck is the whole closet reference about?::
I'm surprised someone hasn't made a reference to River outing Jayne. :)
Nixx
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