the religions of Firefly
POSTED BY: pedme84
UPDATED: Tuesday, February 4, 2003 10:01
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Originally posted by Delvo:
Wait there QT, I can't take credit/blame for this psychologist thing. You got to there from "psychiatrist" all by yourself.(And even THAT, I said before Shindig...)
O.k. Misspoke here then. Thank you for the correction - I guess I'm not saying "psychologist" in the strict sense - I'm saying "psychological counsellor." (Deep-seated prejudice against psychiatrists because of their ability to prescribe drugs to treat emotional problems... I haven't yet reconciled myself to the belief that drugs are ever the answer to psychological problems, and I am profoundly concerned about the misdiagnosis of psychological problems as psychiatric ones - meaning ones that are fundamentally physical, and therefore treatable with drugs.)
QueenTiye, Companion Academy, class of 2006
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Originally posted by pedme84:
anything that anybody believes and loves is truth.
M2: Everything is true.
GP: Even false things?
M2: Even false things are true.
GP: How can that be?
M2: I don't know man, I didn't do it.
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Originally posted by pedme84:
i just got back from the nyu tibetan sand mandala closing ceremony, so i'm all pumped up for this conversation
Tibetan monks used to come from time to time to the World Trade Center and set up the sand mandala (and take it down)... :(
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QueenTiye, clearly you know more about christianity than i do, so keep talking! except for islam(even there, mainly sufism), i've found studying the monotheistic religions pretty boring.
Well... if something comes up that I can be helpful with, I'll join in... but I'm not so adept in any one religion like that. More so, I like to try to figure out the allegories that the great religions teach.
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and, yeah i totally agree with your position. anything that anybody believes and loves is truth. one of my very favorite words is "perrenialism." he he he
What do you mean by perrenialism? And, that isn't my position at all. My position is that all religions contain truth... there is a big difference...
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Regarding the issue of a religion that is totally tied to the bloodline - why is that an issue? (Assuming it's even true. Every religion has some way of coopting strangers)
yeah, but have you ever heard of a native american convert?
Well...that goes into another thing altogether. You'll note that I discarded most of your post - I try not to get involved in political discourse on message boards because I get too worked up.... (There's already proof on this board!)
Anyway, I'll touch on this a little bit... the fact that Native Americans are confined to reservations (even until today), that the reservations are isolated from one another geographically (making it harder for cross tribal dialogue to happen) and the fact that leaving the reservation means losing the land means that the religion is artificially frozen. A HORRIBLE thing to do to the people. I had a friend once who was huron, and her people didn't believe in taking pictures, because they believed that you capture and freeze a person's soul in the picture. Since she expressed that to me, I have trouble throwing pictures out! Anyway, for a people who believe so much in freedom and openness that they object to pictures freezing and locking in the soul - the present-day reservation system is a travesty. Mind you, I'm not suggesting that we do away with it - I don't know how to justly ensure the Native Americans their land, and their sacred spaces without it, but I can easily envision how it could be different if there were ways in which the Native Americans could be in close proximity to one another. Normal human interaction - intermarriage, childbirth, death and burials... the entire cycle of life in close proximity would FORCE some kind of adaptation. So it could be done and done well on Firefly.
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and dude! futuristic dervishes! that would be f#cking cool! and they could be christian, too. several of the christian mystics are heavily influenced by the sufis. imagine Book spinning around in ecstacy over God. so cool!
LOL!!! Yes. That would be cool! O.k. but point of information (just in case you don't mean that as an exclamation...) I am a dudette...
QT
QueenTiye, Companion Academy, class of 2006
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I was just pleased that the captain seems to be an atheist. It is important to have strong characters on tv with are atheists to dispel the silly belief that in order to be moral, you must be a theist.
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I'm wondering where the Unitarian Universalists are. It would not surprise me to find out that Book is one.
Sensou
Sweet is love when all is sane
Sweet is death to end the pain
Cruel is death when all is well
Cruel is love when all is hell
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I sorta stubled in on this one, but I wanna throw my bit in. Now in the pilot ep, when they're all around the table and Book asks to pray. The first (after Book) to bow their head is Jayne. That sorta struck me as odd. I love the big dummy, but he deosn't really have high morals. So, my question to ponder is: What religion exactly is Jayne?
I figure he could've just been respectful, but that's not really like him either.
Dear diary: Today I was pompous and my sister was crazy. ... Today we were kidnapped by hill folk, never to be seen again. It was the best day ever." - Jayne
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