What's with Jubal Early?

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Sunday, September 11, 2005 14:32
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CHRISISALL

Saturday, April 16, 2005 4:12 PM

In Objects in Space Jubal seems to be borderline psychic, knowin' all that he does. Is he maybe some earlier(no pun intended) version of what the Alliance was trying to make River into?
All I really know 'bout him is he seems to be a fan of a late 20th century movie called "The Empire Strikes Back", for he seems to have picked himself a ship that resembles Slave-1 (it's an obscure little movie, but it probably could gain some sort of cult status that far into the future...).

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IMEARLY

Saturday, April 16, 2005 6:10 PM

Did you think that I wouldn’t see this? I'm shocked and appalled by your attitude.

Jubel facts:

Nathan Fillian's ancestor was the great Jubal Early a general in the civil war.

(Confederate)

Joss undoubtedly found it interesting and ran with it. From the DVD, you will hear that some of my... umm Jubel’s idiosyncrasies were intentionally made to parallel some of Rivers. I think he would have become recurring had the series prolonged.

And yes, I am, ImEarly of the clone Fett corp. notice his backpack as well.

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MANWITHPEZ

Saturday, April 16, 2005 7:15 PM

Early does seem to be a little psychic, or perhaps, just immensely good at what he does. Psychicness and other forms of metaphysics more than likely exist outside the realm of scientific tampering in the Firefly 'verse. To have Mal simply claim "I think she's a reader." and have no prerequisite on which to base it is just too large a jump to be made logically. I suspect that if there are sideshows on Skyplexes and carnival callers in same, then there are probably a few people claiming to be psychic around. While in the future, as now, they more than likely are fakes, Mal happens to have the real deal aboard his ship.

Bottom Line: I don't think Early is psychic, just an excellent bounty hunter who has had enough experience to know how people think.

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MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Saturday, April 16, 2005 9:18 PM

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Originally posted by manwithpez:
Psychicness and other forms of metaphysics more than likely exist outside the realm of scientific tampering in the Firefly 'verse. To have Mal simply claim "I think she's a reader." and have no prerequisite on which to base it is just too large a jump to be made logically.

I have to say that there is plenty of information for Mal to base that "jump" (more of a skip, or a stumble, nay a shuffle) on - exhibit A being what with her nearly being burned as a witch for reading people's minds, her "channeling" of Badger. Sure, Mal didn't see everything, but would have heard some of it no doubt - I would suspect that he was waiting for the pieces to come together, which they did around that table.

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MANWITHPEZ

Saturday, April 16, 2005 10:31 PM

Yeah, but, she's a "reader". The turn of phrase almost seem familiar. Like it was something he might have heard of before. And, that its not rejected out of hand,(except by Wash, who has witnessed some of her hijinks)leads me to believe that there may be other "psychic" people in the Firefly 'verse. Whether they are charlatans, as they surely are, can not be determined. But, the crew has history to fall back on. And, we are not presented with the history of the earth and its peoples in the five hundred years between us and them. All I'm saying is that saying 100% that Jubal Early isn't psychic might be jumping the gun. But, I don't think he was subjected to anything like River was, or she would have made mention of it.

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Simon: "It means more out here. It's all I have..."

DIETCOKE

Sunday, April 17, 2005 12:35 AM

Let's not forget the whole existential slant of the show that Joss talks about in the commentary. Both Jubal and River are existentialists and they look at the world differently. There is not right or wrong (we are merely objects in space) and our attitude toward objects give them meaning.

This was not one of my favorite episodes at first but once I listened to the commentary I understood what it had to say much better.

YT

Sunday, April 17, 2005 7:19 AM

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Originally posted by manwithpez:
Yeah, but, she's a "reader". The turn of phrase almost seem familiar.

I see nothing strange in Joss using a 20th century colloquialism as a 25th or 26th century colloquialism; there are a lot of those in Firefly. Just because you don't believe the ability exists don't mean the phrase ain't au courant.

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But, I don't think he was subjected to anything like River was, or she would have made mention of it.

I'm sure there was an earlier thread discussing this possibility that Early was an Earlier version of what River might have become, but I can't find it. Anyway, I find your point persuasive.

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CHRISISALL

Sunday, April 17, 2005 11:47 AM

Every time Jubal says that line about 'all manner of unseemly uses...' I get a shiver. He's my favourite villan in a tv show, more cool and twisted than even Moffit in Airwolf.

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IMEARLY

Sunday, April 17, 2005 2:59 PM

He certainly does make for an interesting villain, and man I haven’t seen Airwolf in ages.

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CHRISISALL

Sunday, April 17, 2005 3:22 PM

Man, the first (and only good) season of Airwolf comes out May 10th on dvd!! If you haven't seen it in a long time, pick it up, you won't be dissapointed! The shows hold up so well, it's scary. Totally ahead of it's time.
At around $30, cheap, too.

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