Why didn't Mal flush Jayne out of the air lock?

POSTED BY: TheSomnambulist
UPDATED: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 18:34
VIEWED: 5680
PAGE 2 of 3

PREV PAGE 1 2 3 NEXT PAGE

THESOMNAMBULIST

Tuesday, January 11, 2005 3:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TauSetiPrime:
I asked this same question in a previous thread, and I got basically the same answers.

Sorry about that I didn't realise.

Quote:

I believe this is more complicated than a simple "because he said what he said", although that is the most direct reason.

Yes. I agree. Which is why I like Statics answer.

Quote:
I was at DragonCon, and during one of the panels with our BDH's, Nathon said that true remorse was shown in that scene. It does explain a lot, but our good captain is, above all, interested in keeping his boat in the air. Jayne is one of three good fighters (we'll debate shepherd Book's abilities later, ad nauseam I imagine). Jayne is a resource, and generally he is good at what he does. Keeping him around is a risk/benefit question. At least Mal knows where Jayne stands. When you have that kind of understanding of a person, you can easily calculate what his motivations are.

This is true - but at some point you 'd have to way up the risk factor with the difficulties of his unpredictable nature, and nothing lasts for ever. At some point Mal and Jayne are going to have to part, be it on friendly terms or not. I would have thought treachery was one such term.

Quote:

Anyways, Jayne is Adam Baldwin, and he makes a great, likable, and a very important character. Had they killed him off that early, I'm not sure the show would have had as many fans as it did.

Too true. I love Jayne he's one of my favourite characters on TV after the Mayor from Buffy. And Adam Baldwin I've liked since I saw him play a really evil hit man in a film with Roy Sheider, way back in the eighties... Can't remember the title though. But he always has a presence on screen. Plus he has superb comic timing. I'd love to see him do stand up :)

TheSomnambulist

www.cirqus.com
For Pictures:
http://www.cirqus.com/lightfantastic.html

CHRONICTHEHEDGEHOG

Tuesday, January 11, 2005 3:19 PM

My take is the reason has nothing to do with Jayne and everything to do with Mal.
First, Mal doesn't kill in cold blood. "If I kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed." Killing Jayne that way would have been the cowardly way out.

Second, Mal accepts that's Jayne's nature. Jayne basically admits he'd sell Mal out for enough money in the pilot, Mal knows it and accepts it.

To me, that whole scene was about getting Jayne to admit what he'd done, Mal's attempt to better him if you will. It was never about killing him.

check out my WIP firefly roleplay system at www.estador.co.uk/firefly

XENOCIDE

Tuesday, January 11, 2005 3:33 PM

Also on the same note. Jayne has learned a lesson (Mal hopes):
J: I got pinched!
M: Which is what happens when you call the feds.

I think Mal could stomach Jayne shooting him in the knee to sell him out to another pirate, but being sold out to the feds was unacceptable. Once Jayne got that particular lesson his two faced nature was a more acceptable risk.

-Eli

If voting mattered, they'd make it illegal.

PURPLEBELLY

Tuesday, January 11, 2005 3:36 PM

He won't kill you unless he has to
is Zoe's assessment from the cut scene in Serenity

Reynolds doesn't spare Jayne, he spares himself from the killing; for some of the reasons given above, 'tis true.

IAMJACKSUSERNAME

Tuesday, January 11, 2005 5:24 PM

Jeez. Just because he sold a still defenseless young girl back to her torturers, and another innocent, Simon; you're saying he should be punished?

Quote:
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
I remember he shares his spoils to the rest of the crew later on.

I'm pretty sure Mal forced him to share them apples. See there's punishment right there.
--
I am Jack's username
Any justice in Firefly? < http://jack.p5.org.uk/about-fiction/ftl-firefly.en.html>

PURPLEBELLY

Tuesday, January 11, 2005 5:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gorramreavers:
... one of the main characters took a bullet to the back of the brain. That sucked.

LOL I know what you mean, they should print history books with spoiler warnings

Still, as the series progresses, just watch all the narrative pathways that open up because of that death.

BYTETHEBULLET

Tuesday, January 11, 2005 5:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by IamJacksUsername:
Jeez. Just because he sold a still defenseless young girl back to her torturers, and another innocent, Simon; you're saying he should be punished?

Quote:
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
I remember he shares his spoils to the rest of the crew later on.

I'm pretty sure Mal forced him to share them apples. See there's punishment right there.
--
I am Jack's username
Any justice in Firefly? < http://jack.p5.org.uk/about-fiction/ftl-firefly.en.html>

My feeling is he shared out of guilt...must be the Catholic in me coming out.

ByteTheBullet (-:

FIREFLYGAL

Tuesday, January 11, 2005 7:11 PM

How about because it wasn't in the script???? (starts ducking from flying objects now being thrown at head)

GORRAMREAVERS

Tuesday, January 11, 2005 7:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
Quote:
Originally posted by Gorramreavers:
... one of the main characters took a bullet to the back of the brain. That sucked.
LOL I know what you mean, they should print history books with spoiler warnings Still, as the series progresses, just watch all the narrative pathways that open up because of that death.

Yeah..I find myself waiting for Mondays to come around now I have a couple of episodes under my belt (of Deadwood). It is very well done. Not sure if the actor that plays our main hero is the best actor ever but the actor who plays the main villain is amazing. F*****G C*********S!

"..it is my very favorite gun."

SHAMBLEAU

Tuesday, January 11, 2005 7:38 PM

I agree with what people have said, Static's analysis in particular. The one probleem I have with what was done in that ep is that it basically neuters Jayne. Joss has stated that they wanted to show Jayne's treachery early on or he would be soon be seen by the audience just as a tough-on-the-outside-soft-on-the-inside, lovable lout. But that's now exactly what has happened since. There's no danger left in Jayne now, no edge. He would NEVER betray them now.

shambleau

PREV PAGE 1 2 3 NEXT PAGE