Joss' fascination with torture ?
POSTED BY: TheSomnambulist
UPDATED: Monday, December 27, 2004 17:15
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Quote:Hotpoint appears to approve, you seem to agree, then disagee.
Originally posted by ReeQueen:
Hotpoint:Quote:
I cannot really be said to speak on behalf of three quarters of a billion Europeans but personally I do not object to "torture as entertainment"* specifically because I am a Liberal and therefore believe there should be no limits of freedom as long as the exercise of that freedom does not infringe upon the liberty of others.
* simulated torture of course
I agree. I absolutely believe in free speech, even unto the expression of things I find hurtful and hateful. I personally like to know what the bastards are thinking, and where they are.
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I'm also not favourable towards your language in stating that this same person "fully approves" of what you deem the "depiction of torture as entertainment."
You're right - in as much as I'm bored. Can we have some more posts from people telling us they find torture exciting and that they're very nice people?
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There is a difference in implied tone between my own words "do not object to" and your spin that I "approve" of torture as entertainment.
Toleration of something for artistic reasons is not the same as enthusiastic ringing endorsement of that concept on general principle.
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Quote:It's a shame it would be off-topic, because feed-back on the level of interest induced by the History Channel would be instructive; not very informative without re-enactments, I suppose.
Originally posted by ReeQueen:
Yes, the History Channel has a show it repeats every several months on the history of torture, complete with visuals of torture implements and descriptions (with illustrations, no re-enactments) on how they were used.
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Quote:There's difference between approve(to accept as satisfactory) and endorse (to express support or approval of publicly and definitely). I spy a kettle
Originally posted by Hotpoint:
There is a difference in implied tone between my own words "do not object to" and your spin that I "approve" of torture as entertainment.
Toleration of something for artistic reasons is not the same as enthusiastic ringing endorsement of that concept on general principle.
EDITED: to aid the lexicographically challenged; I was originally too polite to mention it
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Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
And there's difference between approve and endorse. I spy a kettle
Nice try but it was the tone of your post that equated the notion of acceptance with approval at the level of endorsement. If you don't think it does you need to read your own words more carefully.
EDITED TO ADD - Please don't edit your posts without announcing you have done so. It's bad nettiquette
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Quote:
Originally posted by Hotpoint:
Nice try but it was the tone of your post that equated the notion of acceptance with approval at the level of endorsement. If you don't think it does you need to read your own words more carefully.
Quote:Must be a problem with the dialect
you will find a reply from a UK resident who fully approves of the depiction of torture as entertainment
Anyone want to talk about Joss and torture?
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Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
Must be a problem with the dialect
You think "fully approves" doesn't indicate a somewhat greater endorsement than just "approves" or "accepts" would?
EDITED - To remove a double negative
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Quote:Seems non-empty to me
Originally posted by Hotpoint:
I cannot really be said to speak on behalf of three quarters of a billion Europeans but personally I do not object to "torture as entertainment"* specifically because I am a Liberal and therefore believe there should be no limits of freedom as long as the exercise of that freedom does not infringe upon the liberty of others.
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* simulated torture of course
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Okay, Purplebelly, let's all get it straight on just how morally superior you really are. I gather then, that you find each of the following items offensive?
1) When Vincent Vega shoots Marvin in Pulp Fiction
2) When Austin Powers squashes a simple henchman with a steam roller
3) The entirety of Payback
4) Every war movie ever made
The only good fiction is a story where the writer is willing to put his characters through the hell. Even comedies make their characters experience horrible humiliations for a laugh. The source of story is conflict: Man vs Man, Man vs Self, Man vs Nature, or Man vs Society - or did they not cover that in your European school? If you only watch movies where nobody suffers, you'll be watching Bed of Roses for the rest of your life. If that's the case, congratulations, you are true to your word. You are also very boring.
"Dear diary, today I was pompous and my sister was crazy."
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Quote:
Originally posted by PurpleBelly:Quote:Seems non-empty to me
Originally posted by Hotpoint:
I cannot really be said to speak on behalf of three quarters of a billion Europeans but personally I do not object to "torture as entertainment"* specifically because I am a Liberal and therefore believe there should be no limits of freedom as long as the exercise of that freedom does not infringe upon the liberty of others.
Because I would not limit freedom of speech or expression does not mean I "fully approve" of everything anyone has to say merely that I'll tolerate it
That I would not ban the publication of either the Communist Manifesto or Mein Kampf does not mean I am therefore a Communazi
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