I will never fly in this country again.
POSTED BY: dragonwine
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 15:39
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@ManiacNumberOne:
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Yah, I've gotten a lot of milage out of that quote lately. < sarcasm > No, it couldn't be because of GW being in power. No, not at all < /sarcasm >
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And my humorous tone is taken as aggressive. In the future I'll remember to mark all my hyperbole as such so that it's understandable to pot-smoking hippies (hyperbole!).
I must disagree that sending the message of love instead of dropping bombs is always a good thing. In some rare cases, dropping bombs is a very, very good thing - like dropping them on Nazis, for instance. I don't equate being civilized with being a 100% pacifist.
But I digress. If you join hands, sing, and march with a banner, you'll achieve nothing for sure. If you keep trying to get the word out about issues to people who are disinterested there's a very slim chance of success.
I'll choose the second course of action over smoking dope and bad-mouthing my country (hyperbole!).
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Better to get felt up (I never complain 
) than get blown up
"Your mouth is talking. Might wanna see to that"
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Originally posted by wildbill:
And my humorous tone is taken as aggressive. In the future I'll remember to mark all my hyperbole as such so that it's understandable to pot-smoking hippies (hyperbole!).
I must disagree that sending the message of love instead of dropping bombs is always a good thing. In some rare cases, dropping bombs is a very, very good thing - like dropping them on Nazis, for instance. I don't equate being civilized with being a 100% pacifist.
But I digress. If you join hands, sing, and march with a banner, you'll achieve nothing for sure. If you keep trying to get the word out about issues to people who are disinterested there's a very slim chance of success.
I'll choose the second course of action over smoking dope and bad-mouthing my country (hyperbole!).
I didn't see what you were saying as aggressively humorous, nor an extreme exaggeration of your point of view. I see no one one this site holding a banner or marching or singing. I see people talking.
Your second method to try to get people to stop talking about issues will be as ineffectual as your first, because I'm gonna point out what you're doing.
You are trying to persuade people that's there's no audience for what they have to say and they they shouldn't be saying it. NOT true. The audience is there, it's very large, and that apparently angers you. You will likely not admit to this very large audience existing. It's obvious that you are still trying to equate things that don't go together. Such as being a patriot (and speaking out to change our country for the better) and smoking dope. If your apparent position of conformity with the government is so strong, it should be able to withstand a little opposition.
Every citizen, regardless of what you may think, has a right to speak out on issues. How about you recognize that you're trying to tell people to stop expressing themselves and their ideas?
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Originally posted by wildbill:
And my humorous tone is taken as aggressive. In the future I'll remember to mark all my hyperbole as such so that it's understandable to pot-smoking hippies (hyperbole!).
Last time I checked, calling something a "load of crap", calling the "TSA as a bunch of morons" and calling the people here the "pissing and moaning brigade" and proceed to attempt to generally insult the people in this thread isn't humorous, it's aggressive.
If you indeed intended this as humour then you should really consider including emoticons in your posts and watch your words. It is the only way that we can let people know how we're speaking. Otherwise you leave it up to the people to impres upon your post how they think you are saying it. And that can (example here?) lead to misinterpriations.
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Originally posted by wildbill:
I must disagree that sending the message of love instead of dropping bombs is always a good thing. In some rare cases, dropping bombs is a very, very good thing - like dropping them on Nazis, for instance. I don't equate being civilized with being a 100% pacifist.
Did I say that that is the only thing to do? No, I said that it is always good. I say that it is always the first step. Does that mean that I think it is the only one? No!
And dropping bombs is *never* a good thing. I may be a necessary thing, but *never* good.
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Originally posted by wildbill:
But I digress. If you join hands, sing, and march with a banner, you'll achieve nothing for sure.
Well, last time I checked my history books, people that became violent in protest were pointed out by the people in charge to say that this or that movement is nothing but a bunch of radicals, so ignore them.
And you do acheive things by protesting. You get the message out. If the protests are big enough, it can sway governments. One need only look as far as the Vietnam protests in your own country to prove this true.
But then again, there must be someone in charge that'll care. And GW has already stated that he doesn't. So, what happens now?
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Originally posted by wildbill:
I'll choose the second course of action over smoking dope and bad-mouthing my country (hyperbole!).
You know, if you stopped being such an ass, people might take you seriously.
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Wow, I was going to respond to Wildbill, but after Maniac and SigmaNunki... there's not much left to say.
Wildbill, I do apologize for comparing the Republicans to the Gestapo. That was uncalled for and not supported by the facts.
And thanks for bringing up the Patriot Act. I've been involved with a group working to bring things back in line with reasonable privacy rights.
http://www.bordc.org
It's a great place to start for anyone interested in taking some productive actions to protect our rights. Pot smoking 
hippies are welcome! as are liberty minded Republicans and Democrats. Sunsetting the more extreme measures of the act, and preventing Patriot II, are by far more important issues than partisan bickering.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Bahhhh..we all have a RIGHT to our opinions. Then again..we all have the DUTY to respect
"Your mouth is talking. Might wanna see to that"
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Guilty as charged - of being an ass, that is.
I must take issue, however, with having an "apparent position of conformity with the government". For the record: I am opposed to the Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, Federal Withholding Tax (the IRS), Gun Control, and Property Tax, among other things. (No, I don't live in backwoods Montana.)
One of my points is that being politically active among people who think the same as you (like at a protest) gets you nothing but a warm fuzzy feeling. 60's style protesting doesn't work anymore anyway - people just figure "there are those crazy pot-smoking hippies again" - it's as if a tolerance has been built up.
Engaging people who are active but don't see eye-to-eye with you (like here, I guess) has merit in keeping the old mellon active, but the real pain-in-the-ass is getting people who don't care to care about important issues. My attitude is to keep trying, even though its seems like I'm beating a dead horse.
For example: Point out the airport strip searches, security cameras everywhere, that everyone's credit purchases are in data bases somewhere (wherever you use a "club card" even when paying cash), also what books you read, what movies you rent, etc., then ask if they want the government to have access to it all.
One more thing for the record: I really like the pot-smoking hippies of the cute "free love" variety - except for the hairy armpits.
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Back by popular demand.
Amazing how such a little rant can spark so much.
In any event, the TSA (Totalitarian Subjugation Authority) or Tough Sh*t America: We can do what we want and you can't stop us. Brought to you by the Dept of Homeland Insecurity. It all makes me feel so much safer knowing my luggage is being ransacked and my family and other innocent citizens ( oops, that's potential terrorists) are being demeaned and groped with utter impunity.
What can I say. No one can destroy the people, society, freedoms, or this nation, better than us. We need no help from anyone, we can do it ourselves. And our downward spiral goes merrily on.
It's a nothing part til you don't got one, then you have to go to ebay.....aaaaagh!
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