BUSH HAS WON!!!!

POSTED BY: Anarko
UPDATED: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 10:18
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Originally posted by UnchartedOutlaw:
*sigh* Well, look at it this way...Bush can't be reelected in 2008! :)

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Don't be so sure


2008

Get ready for Cheney ( Mr Apartheid ) as president
and the little hispanic dictator George Prescott Bush as VP

The Bush dynasty will continue....

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Originally posted by EARLYWASLATE:

We have two fairly centrist parties. Other than a couple of hot button issues, if you read between the lines, they were basically proposing the same ideas.

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If your idea of centrist is very right then you'd be correct. Note: Relative positions don't dictate actual positions.

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Originally posted by EARLYWASLATE:

Personally regardless of the outcome, we still live in the greatest country currently around...

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LOL, think again. http://www.iht.com/articles/529503.html

Please note that the US went down in its ranking.

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For those who ignore the fact that Bush's lies murdered 100,000 people in Iraq, let alone your sons and daughters in the armed forces, I suggest a bullet in the brain will do you a lot of good.

Those of you who have an honest interest in this country might find this of interest:


On November 9, 2003, the New York Times reported: "In mid-August, Walden W. O'Dell, the chief executive of Diebold Inc., sat down at his computer to compose a letter inviting 100 wealthy and politically inclined friends to a Republican Party fund-raiser, to be held at his home in a suburb of Columbus, Ohio. 'I AM COMMITTED TO HELPING OHIO DELIVER ITS ELECTORAL VOTES TO THE PRESIDENT NEXT YEAR,' wrote Mr. O'Dell, whose company is based in Canton, Ohio. That is hardly unusual for Mr. O'Dell. A longtime Republican, he is a member of President Bush's 'Rangers and Pioneers,' an elite group of loyalists who have raised at least $100,000 each for the 2004 race. But it is not the only way that Mr. O'Dell is involved in the election process. Through DIEBOLD ELECTION SYSTEMS, a subsidiary in McKinney, Tex., HIS COMPANY is among the country's biggest suppliers of paperless, touch-screen VOTING MACHINES. Judging from Federal Election Commission data, at least EIGHT MILLION people will cast their ballots using Diebold machines next November. ... Some people find Mr. O'Dell's pairing of interests -- as voting-machine magnate and devoted Republican fund-raiser -- troubling."

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Co-founder of the Citizens Alliance for Secure Elections, Susan Truitt said today: "Seven counties in Ohio have electronic voting machines and none of them have paper trails. That alone raises issues of accuracy and integrity as to how we can verify the count. A recount without a paper trail is meaningless; you just get a regurgitation of the data. Last year, Blackwell tried to get the entire state to buy new machines without a paper trail. The exit polls, virtually the only check we have against tampering with a vote without a paper trail, had shown Kerry with a lead. ... A poll worker told me this morning that there were no tapes of the results posted on some machines; on other machines the posted count was zero, which obviously shouldn't be the case."
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Dan Wallach is an assistant professor of Computer Science at Rice University in Houston specializing in building secure and robust software systems for the Internet. Along with colleagues at Johns Hopkins, Wallach co-authored a groundbreaking study that revealed significant flaws in electronic voting systems. He appeared on an Institute for Public Accuracy news release in June entitled "Electronic Voting -- Danger for Democracy."
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Senior editor of FreePress.org, an Ohio-based web site, and co-author with Fitrakis of the recent article "Twelve Ways Bush is Now Stealing the Ohio Vote," Harvey Wasserman said today: "There was a huge fight around ensuring that the electronic voting machines had paper trails and there was resistance by the secretary of state, so there is no paper trail. There were some victories to ensure a paper trial -- by 2006. There were limited numbers of voting machines in African-American districts. Some people had to wait up to eight hours, far more than in predominantly white areas."
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On November 3, 2004, Reuters reported: "Voters across the United States reported problems with electronic touch-screen systems on Tuesday in what critics said could be a sign that the machines used by ONE-THIRD of the population were prone to error.... "

Doubt it? Go here:
http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp

And yes, the troubles were not confined to one party. But the connection between Diebold and Bush is clear.

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Hey Ruxton,

It's always good to hear from you. Now we wait for the coincidence theorists to claim that a preponderance of evidence doesn't mean anything. Ignorance is strength, eh?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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I don't think the US has ever ranked well on that poll... Norway and Sweden has always came out on top. I wouldn't necessarily disagree either.

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:

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Originally posted by EARLYWASLATE:

We have two fairly centrist parties. Other than a couple of hot button issues, if you read between the lines, they were basically proposing the same ideas.

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If your idea of centrist is very right then you'd be correct. Note: Relative positions don't dictate actual positions.

Quote:

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Originally posted by EARLYWASLATE:

Personally regardless of the outcome, we still live in the greatest country currently around...

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LOL, think again. http://www.iht.com/articles/529503.html

Please note that the US went down in its ranking.

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"Don't count on it. Word now is, all states that had e-voting had major discrepancies between exit polls and final results. In the remainder of the states, exits closely matched final results" I was curious about that too. There was exit polling all over Florida, which I followed closely. But the exits didn't look like the final vote. I wonder if this will be followed-up with statistical analysis.

Well, things didn't go like I wanted, but at least I made a tidy bundle on bets. Among other factors, my assessment was that Bush was appealing to fear, greed, hate, and American jihad. You can never go wrong with those.

Now, I have some thoughtful honest friends who voted for Bush. They were just trying to do the right thing for the future, and, misguided as I think their vote was, I respect their intentions and effort. But I also know those who consider themselves the embodiment of righteous Christian morality who said they would vote for Bush because he was 'going to kill all those Middle Easterners'. They also think it's OK to kill them raghead children, but a single cell is precious. There are others I know who have no particular reason to support Bush except he likes to kick Arab *ss. No religious screen here, just hate.

As for Bush being held to an accounting in the next four years, don't bet on it. I won't. 9/11 happened on his watch, but do people think it was his fault? (It must have been a concern or he wouldn't have so vigorously blocked the 9/11 Commission.) But people actually think 9/11 does him credit. The economy lost jobs. The government hemorrhaged money. 'Dead or Alive' bin Laden is alive. There were no WMDs. Iraq isn't a complete loss, yet, but certainly it's unexpectedly obstructed. These things are *already* legacy.

And was there an accounting at election? Those people who agree with his basically hate-greed-fear filled message are also willing to uncritically overlook any problem he creates, any lie he tells, any death he causes. Unless there is a SEVERE, catastrophic loss, the kind that shakes people to the core and makes them look at Bush thinking 'LOSER', nothing will come home to him. Just my prediction.

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Originally posted by Ruxton:
For those who ignore the fact that Bush's lies murdered 100,000 people in Iraq, let alone your sons and daughters in the armed forces, I suggest a bullet in the brain will do you a lot of good.

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Come on, the study that came out last month is full of statistical problems. Did you actually look at the statistics or are you just regurgitating what was in the news? I thought you actually do your own analysis. The confidence interval for the 100k figure was from 8000 - 194000. I could have polled a bunch of monkeys and gotten a tighter confidence interval. For those not versed in statistics, that means that the researchers were 95% confident (not even 100%) that the real interval lies some where in between 8000 and 194000. You simply cannot average it out between the two figures. The odds are all even that it could be anywhere in there, it's not more likely right in the middle with 100k. Good grief.

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Originally posted by Ruxton:


Those of you who have an honest interest in this country might find this of interest:


On November 9, 2003, the New York Times reported: "In mid-August, Walden W. O'Dell, the chief executive of Diebold Inc., sat down at his computer to compose a letter inviting 100 wealthy and politically inclined friends to a Republican Party fund-raiser, to be held at his home in a suburb of Columbus, Ohio. 'I AM COMMITTED TO HELPING OHIO DELIVER ITS ELECTORAL VOTES TO THE PRESIDENT NEXT YEAR,' wrote Mr. O'Dell, whose company is based in Canton, Ohio. That is hardly unusual for Mr. O'Dell. A longtime Republican, he is a member of President Bush's 'Rangers and Pioneers,' an elite group of loyalists who have raised at least $100,000 each for the 2004 race. But it is not the only way that Mr. O'Dell is involved in the election process. Through DIEBOLD ELECTION SYSTEMS, a subsidiary in McKinney, Tex., HIS COMPANY is among the country's biggest suppliers of paperless, touch-screen VOTING MACHINES. Judging from Federal Election Commission data, at least EIGHT MILLION people will cast their ballots using Diebold machines next November. ... Some people find Mr. O'Dell's pairing of interests -- as voting-machine magnate and devoted Republican fund-raiser -- troubling."

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Diebold is pretty old news. Not that it's not relevant. But Diebold is not the only provider of E-voting equipment. And they are all suspect. The EFF (Electronic Freedom Foundation) has been after them for years. The paper trail is a toss up. You need it for audit, but people don't want their name associated with a vote either.

Most everyone's concern isn't fraud on the behave from the manufacturer though. The concerns that everyone have are security problems (think E-poll booths running Windows) with these machines being hacked by 3rd party (like Al-Qaeda motivated hackers) and either causing havoc or some sort of voter fraud.

One more thing, the computer code and the equipment that Diebold and all of these other
hardware are made by people. Regular old everyday Joes and Sues like me and you. If O'Dell came up with all of this stuff, then stamped and delivered and installed and maintained each and every single one of these machines, I might buy the conspiratorial stuff. But when there's an entire company full of people churning out code and piecing together hardware. Some sort of malfeasance like this would make it into real news pretty dang quickly. These machines have been around for years, we just haven't seen them much that's all.

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Originally posted by Ruxton:


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Co-founder of the Citizens Alliance for Secure Elections, Susan Truitt said today: "Seven counties in Ohio have electronic voting machines and none of them have paper trails. That alone raises issues of accuracy and integrity as to how we can verify the count. A recount without a paper trail is meaningless; you just get a regurgitation of the data. Last year, Blackwell tried to get the entire st

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