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SPIKEANDJEZEBEL

Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:42 PM

Another possibility: The Circle of the Black Thorn may not have the power to really change the prophecy, and the whole thing was a bluff to see how Angel would react. They weren't exactly trustworthy, were they? Angel may or may not have known if they had the means to change written prophecy, but his selfless actions were what mattered in the end.

So far in Angel, there hasn't been any clear evidence that the destiny foretold in these prophecies can be changed. Plus, they are vague enough to have many interpretations. ("The father will kill the son" was an example of a false prophecy, so it doesn't really count. Of course, it did eventually come true, from a certain point of view...)

"I like smackin' 'em!" - Jayne Cobb

IDEFIX

Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by Grounded:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0551346/

James' birthday is 20th August 1962. Thus he is currently 42.

nothing against IMDB it's a great source of information, but it's not guaranteed to be true. JM does give his birthday as 08/20 every time he's asked so that's true but the year seems to vary on when he's asked and what mood he's in or whatever. so 62 could be right or not but it really doesn't matter. he's much older than he looks that's true nonetheless.

and the kids not really being kids is almost always true. I thought CC never got away with the age she played, she always looked older to me than thshe should have. NB I could buy he looked very boyish in S1 and 2 of Buffy, could have been 17/18 then like his character was supposed to be.
SMG isn't too much older than Buffy so that worked very well. and AH worked for me too, she's older than Willow but she looks rather young. ED is very young so there' no problem there. did I forget someone?
the biggest problem apart from Cordy always was Angel: DB was about 26 when it all started and he looked like 26 and he was supposed to be 26 and it was perfect. sadly vampires don't age and so Angel should still look like 26 and DB most definitely does not. I kinda don't want to imaging a movie with Angel filmed in 10 years, it would look pretty ridiculous. like Data in the Next Generation movies.

but then again who's complaining? if we can get a movie, I'd gladly take it even if the vampire who should look like 26 really is 45 and looks exactly like 45.

if someone has the 'eternaly young' face like JM seems to mostly shows when he's 30 or 35 and still looks like 20 or 25 so if you cast a 25 year old vampire you can either look for someone who already is older than he looks and hope it will last or you take someone who's the right age now and you don't know how he's gonna look 10 years from now. most people change between 25 and 35 and they're gonna keep on changing.

but that's gone pretty off topic.

what were we talking about? Spike and the Shanshu, right? I think he's already got it after the end of BtVS. they misinterpreted the prophecy. they almost always do somehow or other. that's what prophecies are about. you mostly only know what they mean when they've come true and sometimes not even then.

Idefix

RHYMEPHILE

Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:52 PM

Well, more off-topic age stuff: I always marvel when I watch the first 2 seasons of Buffy at how young David Boreanaz looks. But then you think back that Buffy started in 1997, it's almost 10 years (okay 7) since DB was first on. And then I get distracted when I watch Season 5 Angel because I'm constantly looking at his middle-aged paunch that's developing around his middle

When I read that James Marsters was going to be playing the father of the one of the teen characters on The Mountain, I thought to myself that James was too young for it. But obviously he's not. He still looks good. I think it's the amazing cheekbones! LOL

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IDEFIX

Friday, October 29, 2004 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by RhymePhile:
Well, more off-topic age stuff: I always marvel when I watch the first 2 seasons of Buffy at how young David Boreanaz looks. But then you think back that Buffy started in 1997, it's almost 10 years (okay 7) since DB was first on. And then I get distracted when I watch Season 5 Angel because I'm constantly looking at his middle-aged paunch that's developing around his middle

yeah, he looked really young and good and he perfectly fit the description of the demon with the face of an angel.
nowadays I think he looks about normal. he's changed a lot. his face changed, got rounder and overall different.
S5 AtS I wouln't even call Angel good looking anymore. it's personal taste of course and not really a big thing. his acting improved though.

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Originally posted by RhymePhile:
When I read that James Marsters was going to be playing the father of the one of the teen characters on The Mountain, I thought to myself that James was too young for it. But obviously he's not. He still looks good. I think it's the amazing cheekbones! LOL

I think very thin people are ofthe hard to place agewise. but they seldom look particularly young. JM just keeps looking almost the same and you could easily have him play a 25-30 year old I think. so he's the perfect actor for a vampire lookswise. but he's perfect for Spike anyways.
just saw the S1 Ats EP where Spike tries to get the Gem of Amara (sp?) back, when he comes to fight Angel and get's taunted: "I got a really good plan but then I got bored" so cute and so 'Spike'. I loved him from his first EP on BtVS, so I really hope for some kind of Spike continuation, bad enough Wes got killed dead (as opposed to the mystical deaths of slayers and vampires that don't really mean dead but simply wainting to be resurrected in one way or another...).

how about a Spike shanshu story with Willow, Giles, Faith, Illyria and some new people?

Idefix

RHYMEPHILE

Friday, October 29, 2004 1:21 PM

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Originally posted by Idefix:
how about a Spike shanshu story with Willow, Giles, Faith, Illyria and some new people?

I hope Joss realizes that most fans would be perfectly happy watching a movie/spin-off/whathaveyou of the rest of the Buffyverse/Angelverse characters. Giles and Spike together, fighting evil while trading barbs? Awesome! Faith and Willow together, fighting evil while trying not to become evil again? Hi-larious! Illyria and Andrew, her babbling while Andrew cowers somewhere during a fight? Perfect! There are other characters I'd like to see explored, without the need for either SMG or DB.

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GROUNDED

Friday, October 29, 2004 10:47 PM

Spike, yes. Illyria, yes. Giles, maybe. Faith, hmm. Willow, nooooooooooo!

ANKHAGOGO

Saturday, October 30, 2004 5:18 AM

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Well on the phone on Sunday Joss said that Spike shanshues...
of course he may have been kidding...

Okay, if you don't know about the phone thing, this just sounds like Joss rang you up to chat.

:)

Audie Murphy could have had Sylvester Stallone for breakfast.

EMBERS

Saturday, October 30, 2004 8:37 AM

well of course I thought that everyone knew about Joss' conference call last Sunday, there have been threads and stuff at all the websites about his work, including here...
so, no, I didn't mean to say that he told me *personally* LOL

and of course I happen to love the idea of Spike shanshuing since James Marsters was getting worried that he was starting to look too old to play Spike (he said that at a couple of conventions), the Shanshu would mean that that would no longer matter....

GROUNDED

Saturday, October 30, 2004 9:08 PM

It's almost too convenient ;)

RHYMEPHILE

Monday, November 1, 2004 2:26 PM

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Originally posted by embers:
...and of course I happen to love the idea of Spike shanshuing since James Marsters was getting worried that he was starting to look too old to play Spike (he said that at a couple of conventions), the Shanshu would mean that that would no longer matter....

I think that would have been cool, because -- and all due respect to the first vampire with a soul -- Spike was the better warrior, and he did sacrifice his life the first time around. However, if he did Shanshu, did it happen in the middle of the fight? That would have meant he would have become human in the middle of the final battle, which would have tipped the scales to the bad guys.

I like to think everyone lived in that final battle. It's just too depressing to think otherwise.

ETA: The reason I replied, LOL. Let's hope that some day, in our wildest dreams, that Joss did have Spike Shanshu so we can see James again. Please, please, please!!

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