TV channels to rubbish Kerry as ' Traitor ' on eve of US election
POSTED BY: JaynezTown
UPDATED: Saturday, October 16, 2004 12:41
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Geezer, thanks for interpreting my post and stating my position. Unfortunately, the position that you attach is not the one that I hold.
There are three kinds of people: fighters, lovers, and screamers.
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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
I have relegated the Sinclair story to the back burner for the moment based on a far more important story concerning voter registration. Voters Outreach of America is being accused of destroying voter registration for people who registered as Democrats in at least two states. This is some serious crap.
This story was brought to my awareness by Josh Marshall, Atrios, DailyKos, and Kevin Drum.
There are three kinds of people: fighters, lovers, and screamers.
And you can still get a job with them:
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Voter's Outreach of America is hiring door-to-door canvassers asking people to register to vote. Must be at least 18 yrs of age, no felonies, registered to vote and have own transportation. Need good communication skills and professional appearance. Hours are 4pm to 8pm Monday-Friday and 8am to noon Saturday.
Call toll free 702-307-1320 for more information.
Paid for by the Republican National Committee. www.gop.com. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.
http://nonprofit.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?Job_
DID=JQ5WL605V900TFY6WG
I'd hoped we'd gotten past this sort of stuff. Not only illegal but just plain stupid. Maybe we do need to ask the UN for election observers.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Geezer, thanks for interpreting my post and stating my position. Unfortunately, the position that you attach is not the one that I hold.
There are three kinds of people: fighters, lovers, and screamers.
Oops. Got sort of off track. That was the editorial "you", not personal. I will fix.
Edit: Or come on over to the dark side for a little while. You'll get used to the folk in this forum putting words in your mouth.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Yes, voter registration fraud is some serious crap, indeed, but I guess that it all balances out in the end, eh?
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/summit/10960
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http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/7674
http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSA&IKOBJECTID=8ac173fd-0a
be-421a-011e-5ce7dfcf561e&TEMPLATEID=4525fe63-ac1f-02d8-002a-f131478a1f55
It's amazing to me that the party of South Texas U.S. Senate elections and Daley's Chicago's support of Kennedy in 1960 express "shock and outrage" over voting malfeasance.
It's also amazing to me that the party that started the legal maneuvering in Florida in 2000 (whatever his provocation, Gore filed the first lawsuit) bemoans the fact that the Supreme Court decided the case.
Nonetheless, voter registration fraud is despicable and obviously requires more government intervention. Perhaps a law stating that outside "nonprofit" groups may not register people to vote as this only encourages corruption.
Oh, but that might disenfranchise the poor and illegal immigrants!
I've got it! A law that restricts the upper middle class and white people from registering to vote while simultaneously granting multiple votes to minorities and illegal aliens!
Excellent! Big Government strikes again!
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Thanks, Geezer. I thought I had done a good job of outlining why I think this should be handled as a business decision and that Sinclair, unless they are violating FEC laws, should be able to do what they want to do as long as they follow the appropriate FCC regulations. I thought I had done a good job in outlining what the appropriate response should be: attempting to bring economic pressure to bear. I thought I had done a good job outlining the unique position that a company that owns broadcast stations, versus a pay-per-view or cable station, is in in regards to the broadcasting of political material. I thought I had done a good job of stating that whether or not an individual station runs the show is a business decision and whether or not someone watches the show is a personal decision, and neither of those oppress free speech. I thought I had done a good job of stating my belief that the only oppression of free speech would be in the case that Sinclair is forbidden from airing this show, even if they are in compliance with FEC and FCC regulations. Then I read your post and realized that I hadn't done a good job.
There are three kinds of people: fighters, lovers, and screamers.
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I think Geezer is arguing a case he doesn't even necessarily believe. He just loves to take the other side. He knows his logic isn't perfect and it's our job to prove him wrong.
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Speaking of voter registration, I always thought they should do what they (almost) did in Afghanistan: paint a finger with indelible ink (I propose ninhydrin as a better alternative). Registration becomes a moot point.
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I think Geezer is arguing a case he doesn't even necessarily believe. He just loves to take the other side. He knows his logic isn't perfect and it's our job to prove him wrong.
I'm thinking you may be wrong here Succatash.
I believe that Geezer is being sincere in his conviction, and has an argument for his point of view.
That being said, freedom of speech has turned out to be a more slippery subject than most. There have been reams written about it and reams more still to be scratched by pen. Some legal eagle here might want to cite some of the relevant cases, especially as relevant to political speech, journalism, and artistic expression. Anybody here with a very fine hat and some very fine schooling?
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Originally posted by Succatash:
I think Geezer is arguing a case he doesn't even necessarily believe. He just loves to take the other side. He knows his logic isn't perfect and it's our job to prove him wrong.
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Freedom of speech and censorship are real hot-button issues with me. My views in that realm probably make Libertarians look conservative. If I'm going to be true to this belief, I have to defend the stuff I don't like, like Mr. Moore's "documentaries", just as rigorously as anything else.
If a private company wants to show Stolen Honor, or F911, or 24 hours a day of Popeye cartoons on their stations they should be able to. If they want to run 24 hours of classic porn, they should be able to. If Gary Trudeau wants to draw anti-Bush Doonesbury cartoons and the Washington Post wants to run them, they should be able to. If Howard Stern wants to say "f*ck" on the radio, he should be able to. If (whoever the fundamentalist preacher of the moment is right now) wants to rant about same-sex marriage, he should be able to.
You don't have to watch, or read, or listen. You have free will. Learn to read the TV guide and you don't even have to worry about catching a bare breast while channel surfing. Shouldn't you be allowed to make your own choice, instead of having the government make it for you?
Hell, if you want to find your local Sinclair TV station and protest on their doorstep, you can do that too. Just don't ask the government to impose your choice on everyone else.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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