Iraq war illegal, Kofi Annan - The UN
POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Saturday, March 28, 2026 18:32
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Their MO is not like soldiers, but like criminals.
I disagree with that statement, how are you making that distiction ? By method of attack? by choice of target?
or because they are fighting people you identify yourselve with ?
" If I going to get killed for a word....
Then my word is Poon-Tang "
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^^^ You are talking to an Irishman here fucko. Don't play that game with me.
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No really, we are talking about right and wrong here are we not ?
Here is a example,
During WW1 and the beginning of WW2 the Americans flat out condemned the manner in which Germany used her U-boats. Once into the war themselves they used identical tactics to great success against the Japenese...
We could talk of some of the actions the British took in Ireland, or India, or against the Boers in South Africa. We could even talk of some of the actions of the IRA
the point being, soldier, terrorist, freedom fighter, criminal.... the lines tend to blur if we blindly accept the mass medias interpretation , and what our leader bleat and moan is immoral one day becomes SOP of our own the next ? Where is that line drawn ? It is a personal measure to be sure, but I'll ask you... Ghoulman... where is your line?
" If I going to get killed for a word....
Then my word is Poon-Tang "
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^^ those were during a legally declared war. Notice the USA never declared war on Iraq?
Yea. See the diff? No blurring at all.
And I love how you want to draw me into a baloney arguement about who is and isn't a terrorist. Terrorists are NOT the people in Fallujah. They just live there. Get it?
There are no terrorists in Iraq.
Never was.
There aren't any now.
And comming from an Irish background where "The Troubles" have been part of my growing up, I can tell ya that the distinctions are all legal ones.
The USA has no legal right to be in Iraq. They have no legal right to declare whole nations of people "terrorists". They have no right to hold prisoners let alone as "enemy combatants".
The only people who think this live inside the USA. NO ONE ELSE THINKS THIS.
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Wait a minute Ghoulman,
I myself feel that the US has no legal status to be in Iraq. They wish everyone opposing them to play by certain rules, while they follow none.
Now what is a legal declaration of war anyway?
The main definition is " a formal and explicit warning" of the intent to open hostilities "
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/mil/html/mh_014200_declara
tiono.htm
I believe this 1997 interview with CNN's Peter Arnett to speak for its' self
http://www.ishipress.com/osamaint.htm
So this fills the requirement of a " legal definition of war " more so than Bush in Iraq, or any American Military Action excluding Kuwait and Korea going back to the second world war.
So instead of calling this a " baloney arguement " prove your case... or admit defeat
" If I going to get killed for a word....
Then my word is Poon-Tang "
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The invasion of Iraq was justified because it was in our national interest.
Hero,
Well, there are a lot of things in our national interest. It would be in our national interest to drop plague into China, since it is a country that will dominate us soon while we distract ourselves with other things. It would be in our national interest to develop alternative and inexhaustible energy sources and be independent from foreign oil, or any oil at all.
What in particular about our war on Iraq was in our national interest?
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@GinoBiffaroni
Um, I didn't think you where. I was just thinking that you where talking about this from what the US did/is doing whereas from what you just said, you seem to be talking from what Osama did/is doing.
I believe we are both in error. Let's just say that we agree with eachother on many (if not all) points and leave it at that 
And yes, I do think that Osama is winning at this point.
PS - Your comments in your post lead me to believe that you think I'm from the US. For the record, I'm Canadian. And please, if we are involved in a conversation again, don't call me one. I find it rather insulting. Though I do understand that this board is mainly americans and my signature can create that mis-understanding.
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Originally posted by Hero:
I didn't want to jump into the whole argument you were doing, though I would have loved to go point by point.
Let me ask: what would you do? Its Sept 12, 2001, what is your approach to dealing with this large scale attack on the United States?
Since I'm Canadian and not american, I'd read the news.
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Originally posted by Hero:
And a related question: Which would you fear more: your young daughter meeting President Bush or meeting someone from Al-Qaida? I'm just wondering...
LOL, what kind of sick mind would create such a ridiculous question?
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SigmaNunki
I would like to apologize, if someone called me an American I would be a little ticked off as well.
I am glad we find ourselves in argeement, on what points I am unsure but that is moot.
I find that when argueing with guys like Hero, I find myself typing faster than I really should, and things like " you Americans " just slip themselves in there.
Really enjoying this thread though, everyone here has put alot of thought into their stances.
Gino from Calgary
" If I going to get killed for a word....
Then my word is Poon-Tang "
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Terrorists are NOT the people in Fallujah. They just live there. Get it?
I met someone the other day that told me about a T-Shirt that she saw. It had a picture of a group of stereo-typical "Indians" on it. The caption said, "Fighting terrorism since 1492."
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