Hayden Christensen now appears at the end of Return of The Jedi. Yikes!!!
POSTED BY: outlander
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 20:07
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If this change is real, and I'm not at all certain that it is regardless of the source, I wonder what Sebastian Shaw thinks of this? I mean he worked on that original trilogy, he only gets one 10 second spot where people see what he actually looks like (not the way Darth Vader looks) and they cut him out and put in the guy who can't act? Sorry but Hayden just can not act, most of the time in Attack of the Clones he looked like he wanted to actually physically eat Padme. As in, chop her up, cook her and digest the pieces.
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I read this in the paper during the week. To be honest, I think Lucas has flat out lost it. ( No bold statement, I know. ) He's in love w/ the CG FX so much so that he's lost all ability to tell a story anymore. Did he just luck into the 1st three movies because he had no other options when it came to putting a movie together w/ puppets and limited FX (compared to today's standard ). Was he forced into filling on screen time w/ characters who might have a bit more substance than those found in a Disney cartoon circa 1950?
I hope this drives off even more SW fans and they find their way in our 'verse, and flock to see Serenity - several times too. 
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I think (but don't quote me) what happened with the OT was that, after writing the scripts, Lucas had someone go over them and alter the dialogue 'cause he knew he couldn't write it. Nothing wrong with that; some people write good plots, others write good characters/dialogue. I still think that Lucas writes some of the greatest plots in SF, but he just couldn't do the dialogue.
Then the Prequels roll around, and Lucas has started buying his own hype. He says to himself "I don't need script-doctors; I'm GEORGE FRICKIN' LUCAS!!!"
End result, the prequel plots are great, but the script itself stinks.
Also, Lucas has always been a special-effects guy; ILM (Industrial Light & Magic) was pretty much his brainchild. As he's watched technology advance, he's gotten more and more obsessed by the idea of "synthespians."
He's said on the record that he wants to get to the point of doing a movie with characters that only exist in CGI (like Jar-Jar, but without an Ahmed Best on-camera as a stand-in).
IOW (as I understand), he wants to do a cartoon.
Lucas is big on spectacle which, sadly, does make a Blockbuster. Unfortunately, it doesn't replace good writing (as we of all people oughta know, with our lack of aliens and flashy energy-weapons).
This, BTW, is why I consider SW novels to be superior to the movies in every way. You'll never see Lucas "wasting his time" with such "obsolete" Storytelling technology. When/if the Original Trilogy SW books are reprinted, they'll likely be the exact same editions I bought in the 80s (and subsequently replaced with the "Special Edition" covers, only 'cause the old ones were falling apart).
And my imagination can still do better FX than ILM, or even Zoic (no offense to either of them).
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I'm not exactly worried about it. Yes, I love Star Wars. I know that Han shoots Greedo like a badass, and Hayden Christensen shouldn't be there. So, I'm not going to buy these dvds. Sci-fi has never really been my genre, but I've been able to accept it when it's great. These are losing their appeal in that way. Simple.
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Originally posted by Jumpy:
I can see by many of your posts that you are none too happy about the changes. As far as I can see, the changes are for real (for those of you that think it may be a hoax) and the original trilogy petition has been the biggest move to get George to give us the Filmic cuts (for the time being).
Definitely put your name down at
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/
I feel I should also reiterate some main points:
A) Although they're George's movies and he has a right to change them, he should still offer the filmic cuts regardless because they are well loved, classic films (AND CINEMATIC REVOLUTIONS IN THEMSELVES IN MANY ASPECTS).
B) As unseemingly uncertain whether there are in fact such changes, it must be then more uncertain as to whether he WON'T offer the filmic cuts at a later time. Give George some breathing space but let him know we want them.
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Well, it's worth noting that the DVD editions of both "Legend" (an '80's fantasy film directed by Ridley Scott and starring Tom Cruise) and the "Alien" saga offers 'director's cut editions' for their films, but they also offered the original theatrical editions as well.
I must admit that I am rather conflicted as to the "Special Editions" of the SW films. On the one hand, I'm a fan who became a fan when the SEs were re-released in theatres in '97, so I saw and loved the films when they were already altered. I loved the extra Rancor footage in ROTJ, I loved the enhanced Max Reebo band scene in ROTK, and the infamous 'Greedo shoots first' flap passed mercifully over my head. The thing about the human Jabba being replaced with a CGI Hutt didn't bother me either, because I thought it was confusing that Han would call a human 'Jabba', when obviously he wasn't.
But. . . these new changes-- well, they stick in my craw because I don't like the prequels. I don't like Jar Jar, I don't like that they explained Boba Fett's origins (and in such a lame way, too), and I don't like the Anakin backstory.
Personally, the old films had an ambience that the new ones lack, and being reminded of them is rather... painful. I think that Lucas would have been better off leaving the backstory of Boba and Anakin to the imaginations of his fans. Sometimes a little mystery (and both Darth Vader and Boba Fett had that in spades, and that's what them cool) is a GOOD thing.
I'm also conflicted because these films ARE George Lucas' creation, just like Middle-earth was JRR Tolkien's creation... but I think that there is a time when an author just has to let things go. Too many cooks spoil the broth, and an author can re-work and re-work and re-write and change things so that the original story is mangled and ruined for those who loved it when things weren't as spelled out and had some mystery to them. Tolkien came dangerously close, in a certain sense, to this; in the later years of his life, he found that there were elements of his universe that he could not reconcile, and so there are several theories as to the origins of Orcs, and so on. To me, though, Lucas is perilously close to wrecking his legacy with the prequels, and he should just leave well enough alone.
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Oh, and I just found out that the 'celebration scene' from the end of ROTJ will have. . . GUNGANS!!!!
Now, personally, I LIKED that new scene. The one shot in Coruscant where we see the Emperor's statue being pulled down by the mob was very cool and reminiscent of the fall of Communism (and now, of course, the fall of Saddam Hussein).
But, Gungans?! I'd been hoping that Palpitine would've wiped them out already. 
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I wonder what Sebastian Shaw thinks of this?
Probably not much, since he died in 1994.
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New Hope Special Edition was cool...it was the way he had intended the movie to be. Cool, fine, glad you did it. Should have stopped the wet dream there Mr. Lucas. I was once one of the most avid fans of Star Wars...now I am ashamed to admit I had ever seen any of them (especially Episode II).
I should not, can not, and will not buy this idiot-crack Lucas is putting out now. I wanted the movies...not the re-edited movies, not the re-re-edited movies, and I expect I will be watching Serenity for the 10th time instead of Episode III for the first time (because I'd rather have a psychotic episode than suffer through whatever nonsense Episode will be on the screen next in the Star Wars universe).
Mr. Lucas, you once created something worth having...now you have something not worth having created. I hope this is your FIRST LAST and ONLY time your recycled garbage is on DVD. Hell, at this point, I wouldn't even buy the true originals if you put them out. I am going to hit you where it counts...the wallet. I will be hurting you at the Box Office AND in sales by watching other movies and not buying anything Star Wars ever again. Congratulations on turning away a once loyal fan.
Those of you who remain Star Wars fans can expect to see my stuff on e-bay in the near future.
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What? The movies are suddenly completely worthless now because a few changes (most of them insignificant) have been made to them? Bravo on your superb reasoning.
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Originally posted by MohrStoutbeard:Quote:
I wonder what Sebastian Shaw thinks of this?
Probably not much, since he died in 1994.
Oh. Didn't know he'd died. But still I wonder what he would have thunk if he was still around?
Personally, I wouldn't have minded adding in Gungans (how the heck did they end up on Ewok world though?), but replacing a character entirely just doesn't sit right with me. Especially since, so far, he's only planning on releasing this version on DVD. It's disrespectful to Shaw. He put in hard work on the three original movies. He did a damn good job of it too. Way better than Hayden did in the Attack of the Clones.
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