The "assault weapon" ban is dead!
POSTED BY: JCKnife
UPDATED: Monday, September 20, 2004 20:25
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Originally posted by Static:
I own several weapons of various types, some that are simply for hunting, others that I use for competition target shooting, and yes, I admit, more than one that I purchased because at the time I had more money than good sense.
I honestly have trouble seeing where limiting me and my friends to ten shots per magazine helped to reduce crime in the past ten years.
You're right, it didn't. But tell me how allowing people 11 shots plus per magazine reduces crime.
No argument with people owning guns for sport or hunting if that's their thing, nor indeed collections. Equally, not sure where I stand on owning a gun for self defence - save that there comes a point it seems to me that the gun(s) being kept for self-defence cease to be that and become the NRA-equivalent of this week's I-Pod technology, owned because they can be.
"I threw up on your bed"
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You know. . .
Having those extra rounds in my magazine won't help reduce crime either. And hopefully, they won't increase it.
I'm just hoping folks will realize one day that no gun legislation reduces crime.
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Originally posted by Static:
I'm just hoping folks will realize one day that no gun legislation reduces crime.
Actually, not true. "No gun" legislation would reduce crime. I accept fully the argument you can't put the genie back in the bottle, but if you could, and guns were banned, I guarantee a reduction in gun crime.
The criminals would still get guns, as they do in the UK, but those rage killings would fall away some. Columbine would have been a hell of a lot more difficult for those kids to pull off in the absence of an arsenal in their parents' houses.
Still, the next time 11 people try and storm the house, be thankful you don't need to reload....
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The most effective argument I've ever heard againt gun laws is also the shortest:
Outlaw guns, and only the outlaws will have guns.
The only gun law I would like to see is one requiring gun owners to take a safety course, like we do for driver's licensing. Just one course in their life. I've seen too many stupid people who own guns.
BTW, last Friday, I became a criminal when a friend gave me a 13 round clip for my Sig P228. It was pre-ban, but still. Tomorrow I won't be a criminal. That seem right to you?
gojiro
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Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:
can anyone give me a good reason why you need a bayonet? Expecting the red coats to come back again are we?
- grenade launchers if the grenades are illegal?
Honestly, its issues like this that make me think Michael Moore isn't a dick.
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No good reason to have a bayonet lug or a grenade launcher fitting, aside from just wanting to have them (which seems a perfectly good reason to me, BTW) but no good reason not to have them either. Haven't seen many news stories of robbers brandishing rifles with bayonets affixed, or threatening to shoot grenades they don't have.
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Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:
Actually, not true. "No gun" legislation would reduce crime. I accept fully the argument you can't put the genie back in the bottle, but if you could, and guns were banned, I guarantee a reduction in gun crime.
"I threw up on your bed"
If you made all guns in private hands in the US disappear overnight, the "gun" crime would go down temporarily, until the guys that now run drugs saw a whole new market segment open up. I'd guess that armed robbery (a guy with a knife or club is still armed), assault, rape and burglary would go through the roof.
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In all truth. . .the only reason I can think of for bayonet lugs and grenade launchers is to maintain something of an 'integrity' in the case of purchasing weapons for a collection.
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Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:
Fantastic. Now I can go out and get that rapid assault weapon with the funky stock to defend my property, because that hand gun was just making the Bloods and the Crips laugh at me.
Fair enough, I come from a country where our police still have to shout "Stop!... Or I'lll shout stop again!" (thenk yew Mr Hicks), but...
can anyone give me a good reason why you need a bayonet? Expecting the red coats to come back again are we?
- grenade launchers if the grenades are illegal?
Honestly, its issues like this that make me think Michael Moore isn't a dick.
1. The AWB limited(banned) cosmetic accessories on certain types of semi automatic weapons and the manufacture of these configured weapons and the manufacture of magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds. Weapons and Magazines(not clips, those are different) manufactured in whole before the start date of the AWB were grandfathered and the price of these items skyrocketed. Grenades launchers were not part of this ban, they are regulated by other laws entirely and these laws are still in effect along with the laws pertaining to fully automatic weapons. These can be owned by civilians, in many states, after passing background checks and paying very large sums of money(they cost a pretty penny(quid)) as these types of weapons are regulated by different law altogether.
Do I need a bayonet, nope, I don't, and I won't buy one, but I have the right to. These rights were guaranteed to me by the blood of my forefathers. That is the part that most people just don't understand. We(Americans) had to fight and die for the freedoms we take for granted today.
There are many people that just blindly follow what people tell them without researching the subject, and believe it or not, alot of the politicians and 'celebrities' are simply regurgitating what others have told them, without researching it...see what I am getting at?
Oh, the ban did expire last night, check www.atf.gov for the official word, if you don't believe me or just want to research what I am saying. I know I have.
2. Michael Moore is a dick. He is only out to promote himself and make money. His 'documentaries' are not. You can take my word for that one. Time will tell.
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Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:
Actually, not true. "No gun" legislation would reduce crime. I accept fully the argument you can't put the genie back in the bottle, but if you could, and guns were banned, I guarantee a reduction in gun crime.
The criminals would still get guns, as they do in the UK, but those rage killings would fall away some. Columbine would have been a hell of a lot more difficult for those kids to pull off in the absence of an arsenal in their parents' houses.
Still, the next time 11 people try and storm the house, be thankful you don't need to reload....
Nope, you are wrong. Check the gun crime information on this type of crime in Washington D.C. and New York City and most of California. Gun are OUTLAWED there and it is next to impossible for law abiding citizens to even own a gun. Of course people like Dianne Feinstein(ever heard of her?) have to pull to get around those laws. Hmmm, did you know that? I would be surprised if you did. She must be above the law, right? Hey, where did that big bloody bank robbery with fully automatic weapons take place? Oh yeah, California. The bad guys had wepons that the general public could not even get. Does that seem right to you?(sorry, firefly quote)
I understand your feelings about guns and gun ownership, but you know what? It isn't about feelings. Have you ever been robbed at gun point? No, I would bet money you haven't, but I can tell you that having your very life in the hands of someone that puts money over human life and at any second could take yours as he robs you will give you a feeling that you will never forget, ever. Most theves and robbers are cowards and if they come up to equal resistance, ie armed person, he will look for a better, ie easier(unarmed person), opportunity. There will always be crime and I am certainly not the best 'street fighter' but I can shoot a gun very well and that means I have a chance to survive.
Edited to add: Yeah, Columbine would have been different without illegally obtained weapons(they were thieves too, they STOLE the guns). They would have probably worked harder to make sure all the bombs they made exploded like they were supposed to.
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Originally posted by gojiro:
The most effective argument I've ever heard againt gun laws is also the shortest:
Outlaw guns, and only the outlaws will have guns.
The only gun law I would like to see is one requiring gun owners to take a safety course, like we do for driver's licensing. Just one course in their life. I've seen too many stupid people who own guns.
BTW, last Friday, I became a criminal when a friend gave me a 13 round clip for my Sig P228. It was pre-ban, but still. Tomorrow I won't be a criminal. That seem right to you?
gojiro
I agree with your post almost. I took gun safety classes without any laws requiring me to, but like you say, there are some stupid and negligent gun owners out there. You having a pre-ban magazine doesn't make you a criminal, they were grandfathered in, unless it is stamped 'Law enforcement use only'. In either case the ban expired Sun night so you are now legit anyway. Nice choice for a handgun too.
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