Can Joss do no wrong??
POSTED BY: OPPYH
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 7, 2004 09:53
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Alright, I am a guy who loves Buffy the Vampire Slayer. That's what got me into this whole crazy Firefly loving, crazy for Fox Friday, angry at Fox for cancelling Firefly mode. Watching Buffy, was an experience. Let me set the tone. It's a Friday evening, early October in Michigan 1988. Myself, and three friends are playing Dungeons and Dragons, with tons of Cool Ranch Doritos, Pepsi products, and Dominos pizza boxes amongst Monster Manuals, and graph paper. We play all night long, in my friends basement. We are so into the fantasy realm, I'm seeing goblins, and displacer beasts on the ceiling. It was a fantastic borderline magical experience. Sorry for being so descriptive, but it's the only thing I loved about being a teenager. Ahead to 1999, I find out about Buffy, get hooked, and realize that I feel the same for a tv show, as I do the high points in my life. It was that good.
When I heard about Firefly, I had to watch it. From the previews on Fox I could tell two things. 1. It was science fiction. 2. It was going to be very different science fiction. The Train Job was solid, and I liked it a lot, but as a series I didn't think I would like it as well as Buffy. I was wrong. by the 3rd ep. I was super hooked. Then Fox got stupid, and cancelled the best show on tv. It's not that I hate the present state of television, but if I don't see an ep. of C.S.I, I'm not going to care. I can't say that of anything Joss related. I hope the cancellation of Firefly hasn't ruined any ideas of a new show from Joss Whedon. If he can find a network that will stand behind him 100%, and give him complete control of a series without a DANGER, YOUR SHOW WILL BE CANCELLED IF YOU DON'T DO AS WE SAY sign hanging above every exit, we may have another brilliant tv show.
P.S. ASTONISHING X-MEN ROCKS!!
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While I do agree with what you're saying, why is this in Angelus Arcanum?
And "Can Joss do no wrong?" - well go rewatch Buffy ep Family. *shudders*
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I'm with you - he can do no wrong! I'm a middle-aged corporate type who wouldn't have dreamed of watching something with the name "Buffy" in it, until my job was eliminated and I had way too much time on my hands. So, in the last year, through reruns, I discovered "Buffy," "Angel," and now "Firefly."
I'm not a Sci-Fi fan. I'm more inclined to watch PBS, the BBC, or take in an art-house film. But Joss' writing, his characers, story telling, and delicious sense of humor has absolutely blown me away!
How lucky we are to have discovered him! We are not alone.
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And "Can Joss do no wrong?" - well go rewatch Buffy ep Family. *shudders*
I'm on subject and off subject here...but what was wrong with Family? HMMMMMM?
(I'm very protective over my favorite episodes)
And Joss, simply put, is brilliant. His ideas, his worlds, his characters, the way he writes and how his characters talk, the heart and soul he puts into his work...every episode leaves me in awe (well, maybe not Helpless ala season 3 of Buffy, as it has a very distinct season 1 feel, but I don't hate it...^_^) I can't wait for Serenity...two + hours of that brilliance and devotion, plus my favorite Joss show! Yay!
-Maddy
"Bwaa...it's kind of a warrior...strikes fear into the hearts of..."
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Family is pretty dreadful. Amends is sub-par for Joss. Lessons was a let-down. Dopplegand was strangely mediocre.
He can do wrong. Just not often.
Season Six coulda used him. I'm not happy that he seemed to turn his back on Buffy. The last two Seasons seem very anti-Joss. It ceased being fun, and started being deriative (save for Selfless and Conversations With Dead People... they were both awesome.)
:)
Ian
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Selfless and CWDP weren't all that hot either. I thought they were good first run but when I saw them again I wondered what I'd seen in them first time round. Holden is, of course, great though.
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Joss can do wrong and has. There is a major problem with the creation of Dawn. Now before you jump to any conclusions, I'm not saying that I don't like the character or that adding her was a mistake. I'm saying her explaination was a mistake.
The key was originally energy. The monks were in charge of protecting the key from Glory. They knew that it could be used to open all the dimensions so that she could return home. So to protect the key from falling into Glory's hands, they turned it into a human form - Dawn, and put her in the custody of the Slayer.
But the key to using the key was the spilling of its blood. If the monks wanted to protect the key, why did they turn it into the very thing Glory needed to use it? They should have turned the key into a stone and put it in the Slayer's backyard. Afterall, you can't squeeze blood from a stone.
I'm not going to accept the explaination that the monks didn't know about the blood. They were able to convert the key, they were able to change the memories of hundreds if not thousands of people, and they were able to transport Dawn to Sunnydale, but they didn't know how to use the key???? Sorry, thats weak.
Yes Joss is a genius, but like the key he is human and can make mistakes. But even his mistakes are better than other peoples successes.
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Sorry for posting here. Thought I was in the general discussion thread. Illyria rules!!!
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Originally posted by rhuttner:
Yes Joss is a genius, but like the key he is human and can make mistakes. But even his mistakes are better than other peoples successes.
I generally agree. The worst episode Joss ever wrote is still 1000% better than any of the tripe that currently clogs the airwaves. There are so many layers to the episodes he writes that you can interpret them many different ways, depending on your point of view. No other shows on tv could ever say that. By the way, I loved "Family" and "Doppelgangland" is my single favorite episode of Buffy. I just see different things in them than some of you apparently do.
Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.
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Originally posted by Chilli:
Family is pretty dreadful. Amends is sub-par for Joss. Lessons was a let-down. Dopplegand was strangely mediocre.
I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but you're not explaining WHY you think Family is "pretty dreadful" and so on. Just because you say something, doesn't make it so. You can have your opinion--I would just like to know WHY it's your opinion.
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