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Thursday, February 13, 2025 4:12 AM

So, continuing Trump's foreign policy success, or not.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think what Trump is doing is "testing" the various national leaders. He proposes something outrageous and observes what he can get away with.

Justin Trudeau folded.
Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum put up a little bit more of a fight.

Jordan is (publicly) threatening war and refusing to take ethnically cleansed Palestinians (altho what's being said in private may be different.)
Egypt is quiet.

Russia has said "Nyet" but is still willing to talk.

China imposed counter- tarrifs on LNG, oil and farm machinery, started anti-trust investigation on Google, and is blocking exports of five rare earth metals that USA depends on https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/what-are-five-new-critical
-metal-exports-restricted-by-china-2025-02-04
/ to the USA, while calling for negotiation.

Denmark is insisting it will not sell Greenland.

Saudi Arabia and OPEC+ refused to increase oil production.

Panama was pressured into ending its BRI contracts with China (There was only one left supposedly) and to (reportedly) waive transit fees for the USA.

India and Brasil indicated they won't pay attention to Trump's threatened secondary sanctions on Russian energy (altho push hasn't come to shove, yet.)




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ABOUT UKRAINE: TALKS WITH PUTIN

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Trump's envoy in Moscow [Witkof, not Gnl Kellogg] may have had lengthy talks with Putin, Fox News says

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-envoy-moscow-may-had-103422144.html

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Russian President Vladimir Putin invites Donald Trump to Moscow to discuss ending the war in Ukraine after ‘lengthy’ phone call

Https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/united-states/russian-president-
vladimir-putin-invites-donald-trump-to-moscow-to-discuss-ending-the-war-in-ukraine-after-lengthy-phone-call/news-story/7935f29572cc2a8560851be459569326


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Putin invited Trump to Moscow to discuss Ukraine, Kremlin says

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/12/putin-trump-mo
scow-to-discuss-ukraine/78463575007
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Putin and Trump speak by phone: LIVE UPDATES

https://www.rt.com/news/612591-putin-and-trump-speak-phone/




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IRAN:

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Ayatollah Responds To Trump's Big Stick Threats: 'Go Forward' With Military Growth

President Trump kicked off the week saying in a Fox interview that "Iran is very concerned. Iran is very frightened, to be honest with you, because their defense is pretty much gone." He had provocatively laid out that "I think Iran would love to make a deal and I would love to make a deal with them without bombing them."

How is Tehran's top leadership responding to the "big stick" threat? On Wednesday Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei urged his country to go forward with bolstering military development.

Khamenei said "progress should not be stopped" in the defense sector, amid ongoing threats from Israel and the US. "We cannot be satisfied," Khamenei stressed. "Say that we previously set a limit for the accuracy of our missiles, but we now feel this limit is no longer enough. We have to go forward."

...

Trump had further said in that Fox interview that thwarting Iran's development of nuclear weapons could be achieved either "with bombs or with a written piece of paper."



There are two things missing from this article. The first is that Iran and Russia signed a MILITARY agreement. Russia will be supplying advanced air defenses, and fighter jets. The second is that, as part of that agreement, Russia is insisting that Iran NOT develop a nuclear weapon. (I wonder if they're under Russia's nuclear umbrella)

So 'keeping Iran from developing nuclear weapons is a pretty easy win for Trump.


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Thursday, February 13, 2025 5:37 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

You and your opinions became completely irrelevant overnight.

Just like I told you they would.

How does it feel?

6ix, if you were expecting Trump to not take the $500 billion bribe Ukraine has offered him in exchange for weapons, you will likely be disappointed with Trump:

US presents Ukraine with a draft agreement on natural resources – Zelenskyy

By Daryna Vialko | Wed, February 12, 2025 – 19:36

https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/us-presents-ukraine-with-draft-agreeme
nt-1739381155.html


The US has presented Ukraine with a draft agreement on natural resources, which could be finalized at the Munich Security Conference, stated Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

Zelenskyy said he had just held productive and constructive talks with US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent and received the first draft of a potential natural resources agreement.

"I know that our team has received the first draft agreement from the United States on a partnership between our countries. I want our team to review this document, and we will do everything to study and sign it as soon as possible," Zelenskyy said.

He added that the agreement could be reached at the Munich Security Conference later this week.

"The United States is our key partner. We will do everything to review all the details of the document in time for the Munich Conference because we do not want to waste time," he noted.

According to Zelenskyy, discussions did not include natural resources in Ukrainian territories occupied by Russia.

As previously reported by The New York Post, Ukraine had "essentially agreed" to provide the US with $500 billion worth of rare earth metals as payment for military aid received from Washington.

Zelenskyy also emphasized the importance of protecting Ukrainian territory from Russian forces not only from a security perspective but also financially. Otherwise, he said, valuable minerals, including rare earth elements, will go to Russia for free.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, February 13, 2025 6:06 AM

Sounds like a good deal to me.

What did your guy get for all of the military aid that he gave Ukraine?

Oh right. We paid them to take it.

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Thursday, February 13, 2025 8:42 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Sounds like a good deal to me.

What did your guy get for all of the military aid that he gave Ukraine?

Oh right. We paid them to take it.

Well, Trump has to provide Ukraine with sufficient weapons to win. Trump can't collect his $500 billion bribe until after Ukraine wins because Russia would simply bomb the mineral extraction operations during the war. By the time Ukraine wins, Trump might be out of office, unless Trump is super generous with the amount of ammo he sends.

The second thing is that the US defense industry will be receiving hundreds of billions for the weapons shipped to Ukraine. The defense industry will provide Trump with a gratuity from that money for his service to Capitalism.

It occurred to me that maybe Trump will decide that history won't admire him for taking a $500 billion bribe. Maybe Trump won't sign the deal out of concern for his posthumous reputation.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, February 13, 2025 8:43 AM

How much did Mayor Eric Adams pay Trump to drop charges? Winds of Change, indeed, 6ix.

New York Mayor Eric Adams is officially off the hook. Months of pandering to Donald Trump — defending him against accusations of fascism, jetting down to Florida to dine with the president, and quietly showing up to Trump’s inauguration — finally paid off Monday night, when the Department of Justice ordered prosecutors to drop their corruption charges against him.

“The Justice Department has reached this conclusion without assessing the strength of the evidence or the legal theories on which the case is based.” — Emil Bove, acting deputy attorney general, in a memo addressed to federal prosecutors in New York

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/02/trump-news-eric-adams-mayo
r-doj-charges-dropped.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, February 13, 2025 9:51 AM

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Six, you really can't lay all the world's ills at the feet of Liberalism.

Going back in time, Liberalism started allowing girls to go to school.
Liberalism, known today as the "social safety net" allowed both Canada and the USA to pull ourselves out of the Great Depression. The programs weren't perfect but they allowed people to feed themselves and clothe themselves and have a roof over their heads.
The Allies after WWII helped rebuild the western half of Germany. The US helped rebuild Japan.
Liberalism allowed in the 50s for women to work for themselves and not just stay at home with children.
Liberalism in the 60s allowed this line from your constitution, "That all men are created equal." to actual mean something.
Liberalism allows your brother with some help to live on his own and not be in an institution.
Liberalism allows you now to live how you like.

Brenda, 6ix thinks much like the Republican Presidents who try to destroy the programs you mention:

George W. Bush tried to significantly reduce Social Security spending. Mitt Romney ran on significantly reducing Medicare spending. Trump, in his first term, tried to completely eliminate ACA subsidies, completely eliminate Medicaid expansion, and then cut Medicaid even more to below the pre-ACA level. None of this succeeded.

The DOGE hyper-focus on things like foreign aid and the Department of Education is kind of clever politics, but the cleverness lies precisely in its ability to provide cover for diminished aspirations in the face of these failures. Trump is many things, but he is most of all a showman, who’s doing a good job of performing mastery rather than letting attention fall on the razor-thin GOP majority and their somewhat incoherent policy agenda.

The fact is, Republicans don’t have a politically or economically viable path to creating the level of taxation that they want. Rather than try to reconcile themselves to that reality and come up with a more realistic fiscal agenda, they are lashing out at the pillars of the political system itself.

More at https://www.slowboring.com/p/the-paradox-of-trumps-first-weeks

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



Oh, I know Trump is a snake-oil salesman because of the way he talks.

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Thursday, February 13, 2025 10:02 AM

Oh, do you now?

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Thursday, February 13, 2025 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Sounds like a good deal to me.

What did your guy get for all of the military aid that he gave Ukraine?

Oh right. We paid them to take it.

Well, Trump has to provide Ukraine with sufficient weapons to win. Trump can't collect his $500 billion bribe until after Ukraine wins because Russia would simply bomb the mineral extraction operations during the war. By the time Ukraine wins, Trump might be out of office, unless Trump is super generous with the amount of ammo he sends.



Part of the rug pull.

The war is basically already over. And he's got Child Rapist Zelensky to just agree to give us $500 Billion, which should more than cover the tab so far.

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Thursday, February 13, 2025 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Oh, do you now?

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Go back over a 100 years and a man like Trump would be with a medicine show. They travelled from town to town fleecing people out of their money with whatever they had made.

"Ladies and gentlemen, this elixir will cure whatever ails you. Sir, do you have lumbago? Well, sir what's in this bottle will get rid of that right away."

And people would give him their money and the next time they had an ache or whatever they would take some and wait and wait for it do something for them and it never would. The salesman was just taking their hard earned money. Sometimes these shows were run out of town by the local law if there was any and sometimes the people trying to get their money back once they realized they'd been conned.

And that is all Trump is.

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Thursday, February 13, 2025 12:55 PM

I see SECOND has been instructed to pull the "racism" card.

Obedient little bitch, isn't he?

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