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Who are the worst leaders of the 21st Century...and best?

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Thursday, August 22, 2024 8:00 PM

and somehow leaders behind a hidden curtain say RFK is banned?

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Tuesday, August 27, 2024 3:41 PM

European French EU arrests... a 'free speech' issue or good leaders the site was also known for drug running and child exploitation


‘Russians do everything via Telegram.’ Pavel Durov’s arrest upends Kremlin military comms.
https://www.politico.eu/article/telegram-ceo-arrest-pavel-durov-russia
n-military-communications-france
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Although Durov publicly distances himself from Moscow, his platform has become vital for Russian army coordination in Ukraine.

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Tuesday, August 27, 2024 3:53 PM

A Liar? he ran of in a helicopter with bags of cash to save his own ass??

Ashraf Ghani: I Fled to Protect Afghanistan
https://indiawest.com/ashraf-ghani-i-fled-to-protect-afghanistan/

Former CENTCOM commander to VOA: President picked ‘worst’ choice in Afghanistan withdrawal
https://www.voanews.com/a/former-centcom-commander-to-voa-president-pi
cked-worst-choice-in-afghanistan-withdrawal/7651000.html


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Saturday, September 7, 2024 6:23 PM

Time snubs Elon Musk from 100 most influential people in AI — but think Hollyweird list includes Scarlett Johansson

https://nypost.com/2024/09/06/business/time-snubs-elon-musk-from-100-m
ost-influential-people-in-ai
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Sunday, September 8, 2024 11:20 PM

shutting down twitter aka 'X' the guy in Brazil is also trying hard

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Monday, September 9, 2024 2:29 AM

It's too depressing to pick thru the rubble looking for competence and (relative) honesty.

I know I'm going to get pushback, but I think Xi and Putin deserve recognition for vastly improving living standards for most of their citizens. That means they must have wrung ENOUGH corruption out of the system to get wealth to flow more evenly.

Supposedly the poverty rate in India decreased under Modi too.
But looking at the numbers, improvements since he became PM (2014) are marginalcompared to previous improvements. So I don't know whether he deserves credit or blame.

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1977 63.11
1983 56.26
1987 50.59
1993 47.64
2004 39.91
2009 32.87
2011 22.53 [appx 17.5% abs reduction over 7 years]
**** Modi 2014
2015 18.73
2017 13.37
2018 11.09
2019 12.73
2020 14.72
2021 11.9 [appx 7% and reduction over 6 years]


https://www.forbesindia.com/article/explainers/poverty-rate-in-india/9
0117/1


IMHO corruption is the #1 enemy of development. And I don't mean envelopes of cash for favorable votes, I mean when wealth dominates the entire political structure, which is warped to service the elite while preying on everyone else.

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Meanwhile, living standards in the USA have been declining for decades under both Republican and Democrat regimes. Living standards in UK have also been declining for decades, but crashed since its sanctioning of Russian oil and gas. Living standards across the EU are also crashing since the introduction of sanctions against Russian energy and the destruction of Nordstream II. So USA, UK, and EU leaders aren't as good as they could be.

Venezuela? Venezuela is under constant pressure from Western sanctions and regime change operations, but with those huge oil reserves I don't understand why Maduro hasn't set up alternate trade partners. I can't tell if Maduro is incompetent or corrupt.


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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

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Tuesday, September 10, 2024 5:19 PM

Vox Day a writer, computer programmer, the popular alias of Theodore Robert Beale, he spoke out against the DEI Gay Marraige and SJW stuff in the Obama years and found himself cancelled, the American with a long family history in the USA who quit the USA politically aligns himself with the nationalist right and traditionalism, an American publisher, science fiction writer, philosopher, musician and video game designer, former nationally syndicated columnist with the 'Universal Press Syndicate' he said of US Republicans he thinks 'conservatives would do well to call themselves Constitutionalists, because it is obvious that the current batch don't give a damn about it' Vox some call him Libertarian but many say he is a self-described Christian Nationalist. Vox has been attacked by media news articles has been described as a far-right white or a misogynist, and part of the alt-right, in the past, Vox claimed to be a libertarian a position perhaps that he has since rejected. Vox also the only person to be kicked out of the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America in its nearly fifty year history. Vox Day predicts that the United States will dissolve as a nation and predicts that this will happen by 2033. According to Day, "American freedom has been yielded", but one day it will be free again because "Rebellion is in our blood. Independence is our birthright. Our fathers were the original revolutionaries."

Beale Expelled from SFWA
https://archive.fo/X9CgH

and more Vox

https://voxday.net/2024/08/19/empire-of-lies-not-the-good-guys/


Empire of Lies = Not the Good Guys

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Vox


https://voxday.net/2024/08/19/empire-of-lies-not-the-good-guys/


Andrew Anglin explains why he believes the Chinese – yes, the terrible Chi-Coms – are observably the good guys at this current juncture in the space-time continuum:

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The Chinese are the good guys, but it’s important to note that they are not the good guys because they want to do charity for the world out of some spirit of niceness. It is a uniquely Western idea that a government would go around the world trying to help people out of the kindness of their hearts.

And we can all see that while the people in the US and EU are constantly talking about how good and moral they are and how they are on a mission to bring “democracy” and “human rights” to everyone on earth, the actual results are endless war and ridiculous poverty. They also bully people, because they claim they have established a universal moral order (based on nothing, by the way).

We can see, pretty clearly, that while some people might be stupid enough to believe that the Western governments are on a mission of love, this stance of “we are the most moral people in the world” is just a cover for corruption and violence.

Personal charity is a good thing and it’s actually a Christian moral directive. It’s good to help people when you can. It’s good to give a bit of money to someone who is struggling, if they’re not just going to buy drugs with it.

Organized charity, however, is virtually always a gigantic scam. I’ve written in some detail about the foreign adoption scam, where these groups (usually branded as evangelical Christians) go around the Third World buying babies from their mothers to sell for a profit in the US. There are a few good books on this (I recommend “The Child Catchers: Rescue, Trafficking, and the New Gospel of Adoption” by Kathryn Joyce, if anyone is interested in the topic – it’s sort of fascinating). Christian “adoption” agencies being literal human trafficking rackets is one of the more extreme examples of charity organizations being a scam, but they’re all basically like this, including the environmentalist groups.

When you have national governments claiming that their purpose is organized international charity, that is really obviously a scam. We know it’s a scam because we can see all these people do is start wars and sanction countries into oblivion. “Foreign aid” is a bribe

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Tuesday, November 19, 2024 5:51 PM

Very little leadership today

Nixon and JFK were perhaps good ones?

then Mafia's and Military industrial got even more power, Assassins, Human Experimentation, CIA KGB smoke and mirrors stuff, trafficking people, Assassination, Lawfare, Project BlueBird, MK-Ultra the CIA's secret pursuit of 'mind control'

at least some of it got leaked out in the 70s

before mass shootings this story shocked everyone, in the same place as 'Manson' where all those weird Polanski murders happened, Louis J West, Richard Helms, Sidney Gottlieb, who was known in covert circles as the “Black Sorcerer.”

https://allthatsinteresting.com/mk-ultra



Setback for Meloni

Left-wing alliances secure key wins in Italian regional elections
https://www.thelocal.it/20241119/centre-left-secures-key-wins-in-itali
an-regional-elections


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Saturday, December 7, 2024 2:44 AM

Emmanuel Macron struggles on in search for stable French government

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/macron-defying-calls-resign-strug
gles-search-stable-french-government-2024-12-06
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Tuesday, December 10, 2024 6:41 PM

finally some honesty?

'I am an incompetent and irresponsible commander': South Korean special forces unit chief apologizes for sending troops to National Assembly
https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-12-09/national/socialAf
fairs/I-am-an-incompetent-and-irresponsible-commander-Special-forces-unit-chief-apologizes-for-sending-troops-to-National-Assembly/2195949

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