The Washington Times: Bill Maher says the silent part out loud: Abortion is murder
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Sometimes you hear something so shocking that it stops you in your tracks. Without a doubt, that was me this week.
I just so happened to click on a video clip of comedian and TV personality Bill Maher’s HBO talk show. On the latest episode, he discussed abortion in America, alongside his celebrity panel. Mr. Maher started fair by sharing that he always admonishes his pro-abortion friends from calling pro-lifers “women-haters” because — in his words — it’s simply not true. He states that pro-lifers don’t hate women, so much as they believe abortion to be murder. I was surprised to hear that astute comment from him.
But I should’ve braced myself, because then his comments took a nosedive straight off a cliff into a pit of eugenics abortion reasoning that even the late Margaret Sanger would’ve given a standing ovation. Mr. Maher said, “They [pro-lifers] think it’s murder and it kind of is. I’m just OK with that. I am. I mean there’s 8 billion people in the world. I’m sorry. We won’t miss you. That’s my position on that.”
Cue the pin dropping.
The show’s audience went uncomfortably silent and even his two abortion-supporting guests were stunned. I have to say, it was really something to see that Mr. Maher was even able to put his guest Piers Morgan at a loss for words.
After the fact, the backlash to Mr. Maher’s comments was predictable along ideological lines. Pro-lifers shared his abhorrent comments on X, pointing out how he really “said the quiet part out loud.” Those in the abortion-favoring camp either decided to encourage Mr. Maher to shut up, or they just ignored his comments completely — the old “maybe if we don’t share it on social media, it never really happened” tactic.
But Mr. Maher’s comments really had me do a double take. I really had to ask myself, what was the most shocking part of them? Was it his rationale? No. I know the origins of abortion reasoning in America, and this is it. Was it that he called abortion murder? No. I know that abortion ends human life either through drugs or surgery. That is literally its definition: “the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy.”
I realized that the most shocking part of Mr. Maher’s comments on abortion is that we almost never hear anyone else put it so candidly.
NOTE: That's roughly the first half of the article. It's all a good read.
I agree. Both with Bill Maher and with Emily Erin Davis who wrote this article.
Personally, I view abortion as murder. And I've never hidden that fact.
But I'm also so against government control, and the nature of the topic is EXTREMELY nuanced and making sure it was ever handled right in every situation would require reams of pages in whatever bill finally got passed.
In other words, I'm not a pro-Lifer, but I do personally believe that abortion is murder. And no... these two positions are not mutually exclusive.
I'm also one in an extremely small camp that apparently includes Bill Maher who will come right out and talk about the world's overpopulation problem. Nobody else will do it. The government won't touch that with a 10 foot poll, because these people need to win elections. Nothing would ever lose an election race faster for someone than being the first candidate on TV talking about this very real and deeply serious situation, and what is going to need to be done in the future about it if we don't start talking real about it today.
And what we really need is to start talking REAL about things, instead of talking from one of two different false-because-only-partially-true versions of reality that the media fills all of our heads with everyday.
So when we bring up abortion, on any level, I think a not-hidden yet very not well known fact should be at the forefront of everyone's mind. How many abortions have occurred in the United States since 1973?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/185274
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Well ...
Covid accounted for (Johns Hopkins says) over a million deaths over 2(?) years.
That's about the same as the current abortion rate.
Actual people, dying, that you were ready to dismiss as being fictional deaths, or fictional people, to a fictional disease?
Or they were fat, or sick, or old, and gonna die soon anyway?
Or shrugging when 30,000+ Palestinians are killed becuzse they're all "Muslim dogs" who will turn into terrorists anyway?
Or the notion that there are a few billion "superfluous" people in the world?
Do we only care about the unborn, but only if we imagine they'll look and think like us?
Once you start thinking about sacrificing people for a cause, is that any different than abortion?
People see what they want to see.
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More theoretically ...
Do I believe abortion is murder?
Well, I dunno.
If you step on a jellyfish, is that murder? Because very early soon after fertilization, what develops FIRST is the blastocyst.
This is a blastocyst.
It's literally a ball of cells.
If you step on a slug, is that murder?
The next stage of development is very slug-like, at week 3.
ALL BEING WELL... and in about 30% of times, all is NOT well and pregnancy terminates spontaneously ... over time the embryo becomes a baby that we recognize as human
So, what makes a human? Is it our chromosomes?
No, because ALL our cells have all of our chromosomes. But we don't mourn the loss every time we accidentally scrape some cells off our hand, do we?
I don't know where to dividing line is. "Back in the day" ... like, Biblical times ... an unborn baby wasn't even real until mom felt it move, about 4 months. ("quickening") So when people talk about what the Bible says, I don't think they know much.
But I'm not sure that's important anyway, because it's an emotional reaction not an intellectual one.
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I think what we mourn is the death, not of a human, but of HOPE. Potential.
It says something about our culture that we make hope so hard to hang onto, or worth so little compared to gratification, or sacrifice it in the struggle to survive a callous society.
There are real reasons to have an abortion. Health, for example.
Poverty.
Emotional, psychological fitnesss for motherhood.
Suppprt systems if things go wrong. Baby's father. Family. Government.
A female (I won't use the word "woman " bc that implies maturity) who doesn't think of yhesethings ahead of time is an irresponsible parent. And is having a child by biological accident.
As is the dad.
I wouldn't want to get in the way of that because of a hidebound and essentially callous view of women,
But maybe we need to fix our society before we can address this issue. Be more caring, of mom, of dad, of families, of grandma and grandpa ... hope for new beginnings, compassion at the end ... caring of people because only they can make society worth living in.
I think unless we do that, we're just sacrificing victims all the way around.
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The spread of Corona virus or Covid was bad and its a pity it got so political, there a lot of Deaths and were job loss during Covid and mental health issues and domestic abuse and d rug and alcohol related Death with Lockdowns
As for Abortion maybe there is a situation a woman takes something 'incest' rape for example however I think there is an unhealthy obsession with killing the unborn American child while importing thousands upon thousands of people who are of a different culture and different values, almost like a population conspiracy
Some of these vaccines were experiments and the human the Lab Rat, we may yet to see the effects on the children and unborn child
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I think what we mourn is the death, not of a human, but of HOPE. Potential.
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Even if you don't share my view that these were deaths, the fact is that there were 626,000 instances in 2021 where an eventual life of individual potential became suddenly, unceremoniously, uneventual.
48 Million and counting.
And the sad thing is that the real number is probably lost to time. How callous is it that we've done this more than 48 Million times so far, yet the only data I can find rounds that number to the nearest thousand every year.
Way to say that you don't give a shit at all without saying anything.
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I find your concern for "human life" to be selective, at best.
But I agree. Having a child should be a joyful event, not causing so much anxiety and stress.
So we have to look at why that is.
A pregnant woman or new mother is VULNERABLE. Pregnancy, birth, and taking care of a baby are physically, mentally, and emotionally demanding. Human babies are born before they're even mature. Think about it:
They can't even hold their heads up. They dont sleep thru the night. They can't tell you what's wrong. They get colic and cry for hours ... months ... at a time.
They get ear infections. They need to be carried everywhere for a year. They need constant minding to stay out of trouble: Don't run into the street. Don't eat dog shit. Don't stick something in an outlet, or go munching something from under the kitchen sink. Don't tease the big nasty dog.
Potty training.
Teaching words. Playing peekaboo (babies' favorite game!! Keeps them amused for a long time!) Right from wrong.
They are usually very active and need a LOT of attention, and if you're going to be a good mom, or dad, you will give it to them.
No way to fit a demanding job, or much fun, or independence, in there. Mom (or dad, if Dad is doing this) needs a source of support. Needs to be able to depend on someone or several someones for money, for help in times of trouble, for advice, for a brief vacation to ... take a shower. (Neighbor and I would trade baby- minding. I would take my kid and hers for a walk to give her a chance to shower, clean up, start dinner...)
Our society is cruel to vulnerable people. Having children is punished financially. The advertised lifestyle is out of reach. It's a risk and sacrifice.
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Well... We've got 48 Million people who never got a chance to do any of that themselves just in America over the last 50 years.
Not only that, but their potential babies and their potential babies babies.
There is probably now around 160 Million potential people who just don't exist in this timeline because of Abortions.
But we'll just keep murdering them off and rounding that number to the nearest thousand every year and then tell the people that we need to allow 12 million illegal aliens into the country every presidential term to keep propping up Social Security and the trillions of dollars of government waste every year.
And like I said before, I agree with Bill Maher. But the only problem is that it's just people in America and Europe who are getting abortions. Nobody else is. The world population continues to boom out of control, yet all you ever hear about is how Americans and Europeans aren't having enough kids to keep feeding the capitalist machines we have in place. So my thought is if we actually need to keep bringing in Illegals by the millions to feed that machine, why not just have the fucking kids ourselves?
I don't know if I necessarily believe in the Replacement Theory conspiracy, but regardless of whether or not somebody has intentionally moved society in that direction, it is happening.
And it's because White Women are the worst. Seriously. They are the worst genetic demographic on the planet. There's always exceptions to the rule, but generally speaking there has not ever been a demographic in the history of the world that is more selfish, self-centered and entitled than the modern White Woman.
And when I say "modern woman", I'm talking women under 40 years old today. So try not to take too much offense. 
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We don't have the fucking kids ourselves bc TPTB don't want them. They want impoverished ignorant serfs who don't think they should have anything than yhe opportunity to work like dogs for a meager existance.
So they make having kids as unnecessary and unrewarding (financially, emotionally etc) as possible.
Get real, willya?
And that whole exponential of "possibilities "?
Easy to see you're real concerned about hypotheticals but willing to dispose of actual people. They must not be real people to you. Certainly less real than your imaginings.
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We don't have the fucking kids ourselves bc TPTB don't want them. They want impoverished ignorant serfs who don't think they should have anything than yhe opportunity to work like dogs for a meager existance.
So they make having kids as unnecessary and unrewarding (financially, emotionally etc) as possible.
Get real, willya?
Meanwhile, a starving African kid with flies swarming around his distended belly has 12 brothers and sisters without a pot to piss in and any of the ones that live long enough are all going to have another 12 kids each.
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And that whole exponential of "possibilities "?
Easy to see you're real concerned about hypotheticals but willing to dispose of actual people. They must not be real people to you. Certainly less real than your imaginings.
Yes. I'm talking about people, not sub-human Muslims. If you want to talk about the animal kingdom we can talk about Muslims.
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Quote:So your response to poor people is to kill them as punishment for being poor?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
We don't have the fucking kids ourselves bc TPTB don't want them. They want impoverished ignorant serfs who don't think they should have anything than yhe opportunity to work like dogs for a meager existance.
So they make having kids as unnecessary and unrewarding (financially, emotionally etc) as possible.
Get real, willya?
SIX: Meanwhile, a starving African kid with flies swarming around his distended belly has 12 brothers and sisters without a pot to piss in and any of the ones that live long enough are all going to have another 12 kids each.
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SIX: Yes. I'm talking about people, not sub-human Muslims. If you want to talk about the animal kingdom we can talk about Muslims.
Instead of killing the unborn you aim at another set of victims? Bc they're "inconvenient" and don't fit into (your) elitist mindset, where you and "yours" deserve to live, and they don't?
You're just as ready to victimize as any woman getting an abortion bc she had drunk unprotected sex. As ready to victimize as SECOND/ REAVERFAN. You just draw the line in a different place.
With that kind of attitude why do you even care about abortion?
You, my friend, are as ideologically possessed as REAVERFAN.
Why not just murder everyone?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:So your response to poor people is to kill them as punishment for being poor?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
We don't have the fucking kids ourselves bc TPTB don't want them. They want impoverished ignorant serfs who don't think they should have anything than yhe opportunity to work like dogs for a meager existance.
So they make having kids as unnecessary and unrewarding (financially, emotionally etc) as possible.
Get real, willya?
SIX: Meanwhile, a starving African kid with flies swarming around his distended belly has 12 brothers and sisters without a pot to piss in and any of the ones that live long enough are all going to have another 12 kids each.
No.
My whole point is that those in the world with the greatest living conditions and the best ability to give their children a decent shot aren't having kids and or they're aborting them. But everyone else in the world is still multiplying at a frightening, untenable rate because they don't give a single fuck about Karen and her 1st World Problems.
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