John Wick 4

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SECOND

Sunday, June 25, 2023 6:49 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
John Wick 4 absolutely sucked. 2/10.

. . .

2 hours and 50 minutes I'll never get back. Plus the sequel and 3rd movie time sink.

What an unbelievable disappointment. Utter trash.

Would not recommend to anyone.

You should read today’s Classic Peanuts: https://www.gocomics.com/peanuts/2023/06/25

The comic begins:
Dear Movie Critic,
How come you never like the same movies I like? You’re weird!
Love, Sally Brown

The comic moves on to criticizing TV critics and book critics but stops before reaching music critics.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 25, 2023 7:22 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
John Wick 4 absolutely sucked. 2/10.

. . .

2 hours and 50 minutes I'll never get back. Plus the sequel and 3rd movie time sink.

What an unbelievable disappointment. Utter trash.

Would not recommend to anyone.
You should read today’s Classic Peanuts: https://www.gocomics.com/peanuts/2023/06/25

The comic begins:
Dear Movie Critic,
How come you never like the same movies I like? You’re weird!
Love, Sally Brown

The comic moves on to criticizing TV critics and book critics but stops before reaching music critics.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Jeez...

It's not just the critics. https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/john_wick_chapter_4

John Wick 4: 94% Critics Score / 93% Audience Score

I'm not trying to be a contrarian here. John Wick 4 sucked, as did most of John Wick 3 (which I mentioned in a post above after seeing it).

Maybe most people didn't have the benefit of watching all 4 of them for the first time within a very short time frame?

John Wick was a very good movie. 8/10. I'd give John Wick 2 a 7/10, even though it left you on an abrupt cliffhanger, only because I feel that they did a good job picking up where 2 left off to start 3 out... and I'd probably give the 3rd movie a 6/10 up until the point where Halle Berry exited the movie. Everything I watched after that point was garbage, and because it was so bad it ruins the 2nd movie since they were all part of one large movie.

All you were watching in most of 3 and all of 4 was a video game let's play. John Wick wasn't even John Wick in this movie. All he was, was a video game avatar who spat out the occasional one word sentence, probably for a laugh, and to keep reminding you what a badass John Wick was, as if the 2 hours of Wick having every bone smashed in his body just to get back up without even any dust on his black suit wasn't in your face in between the very few scenes that pass as dialogue. Even Ian McShane's Winston was a one-dimensional caricature of himself. The single redeeming quality of the last movie was Donnie Yen's Caine character. Well, that and the fact that we'll never get a John Wick 5.

I think everybody needs to go back and watch John Wick 1 again and reevaluate their opinions on 4. https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/john_wick

At least the last two movies don't ruin the 1st movie like The Matrix sequels did to the original. Part of that is because although highly entertaining, the first John Wick is no The Matrix. The other part is because those last two movies are so forgettable that I could watch the original again a year from now and completely forget everything that happened in the sequels by that time.

The Matrix was the perfect standalone movie. John Wick was a very good standalone movie.

Skip the sequels.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

SECOND

Sunday, June 25, 2023 9:21 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

At least the last two movies don't ruin the 1st movie like The Matrix sequels did to the original. Part of that is because although highly entertaining, the first John Wick is no The Matrix. The other part is because those last two movies are so forgettable that I could watch the original again a year from now and completely forget everything that happened in the sequels by that time.

The Matrix was the perfect standalone movie. John Wick was a very good standalone movie.

Skip the sequels.

The producers did not know where to go next with The Matrix or John Wick but they did want to milk the brand names for more money so they copied what was most obvious about the two stories: lethal fighting. I don't think the producers know why anything works and they don't have any ideas beyond copying what worked once for entirely unknown reasons. Each new John Wick makes more money than the previous movie, which keeps producers making more John Wick, at least until the ticket sales drop.

“Nobody knows anything...... Not one person in the entire motion picture field knows for a certainty what's going to work. Every time out it's a guess and, if you're lucky, an educated one.” -- William Goldman, Adventures in the Screen Trade

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person-in-the-entire-motion

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, June 26, 2023 3:02 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

At least the last two movies don't ruin the 1st movie like The Matrix sequels did to the original. Part of that is because although highly entertaining, the first John Wick is no The Matrix. The other part is because those last two movies are so forgettable that I could watch the original again a year from now and completely forget everything that happened in the sequels by that time.

The Matrix was the perfect standalone movie. John Wick was a very good standalone movie.

Skip the sequels.
The producers did not know where to go next with The Matrix or John Wick but they did want to milk the brand names for more money so they copied what was most obvious about the two stories: lethal fighting. I don't think the producers know why anything works and they don't have any ideas beyond copying what worked once for entirely unknown reasons. Each new John Wick makes more money than the previous movie, which keeps producers making more John Wick, at least until the ticket sales drop.

You're right, and it's just sad.

John Wick was just so good on so many levels. You had the mystery going on where everybody in the know knew who he was and was terrified of him, but you as the audience member knew just as much about Wick as the fool who killed his dog and took his car. You got to see the glimpses into the past about his dead wife, about his own brutally dark past that he regrets every second of his life, and watch how in his worst moments he pulls out that cell phone again to rewatch that video of them together that you got the feeling he's watched thousands of times the first time you see it. You find out that even though he's a man of little words, he's quite a dynamic character. A man who spent most of his life being the evil that kept other evil men awake at night, but fought against every instinct in his body to put that behind him and be a better man for somebody outside of himself. You FEEL how much he lost when his wife died, and come to understand that when she was taken from him, he lost the ONLY thing in his life that ever had any meaning. And when somebody killed the only living thing tying him to the memory of that light, he had nothing left to lose and nothing left to prevent him from allowing the darkness to envelop him once again.

They lost a little of that during the 2nd movie but they also managed to elevate other characters and keep everything interesting, but by the middle of the 3rd movie it was all gone. Not just gone, but it was as if it was never there in the first place. Pretending that any personality was still there by the throwaway line "Loving Husband" being put on his tombstone to Winston in the last act was just insulting to the first movie and the audience, and most of all to the character of John Wick.

John Wick during the last 4 to 5 hours of the John Wick series was not John Wick. He was little more than a practically invincible, one-liner spewing avatar for the audience to live out their own violent fantasies by proxy, just like any character you'd play in a Grand Theft Auto game. And everybody else in the movie was just mindless NPCs there to move the dumb plot along just enough to get you to the next boring 30 minute fight scene.

The "shock" ending was just the final insult. "Oh, gee! John dies in the end!" I see where you could be confused that that happens since every other minute during the last 4-5 hours of the series inflicts enough damage to him that would kill any real person 10 times over up until those final moments, but who gives a shit? I got a great laugh out of it at that point and was thrilled to know that they'll never make another John Wick flick after what they did to him.

Although, I know from the coda that was referred to in the OP of this thread by JSF that they fully plan on making a spin-off sequel with sexy-Asian-girl-power-father-vengeance in mind to hop

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, June 27, 2023 1:24 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
There was a coda, scene after all of the credits ended.

I tried to not be too spoilery.
Didn't find a way to share more.
That was a couple months ago. And now 6ix has given it away.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, June 27, 2023 3:55 AM

Yep.

Dumbledore dies at the end too.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, April 5, 2025 12:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
All you were watching in most of 3 and all of 4 was a video game let's play. John Wick wasn't even John Wick in this movie. All he was, was a video game avatar who spat out the occasional one word sentence, probably for a laugh, and to keep reminding you what a badass John Wick was, as if the 2 hours of Wick having every bone smashed in his body just to get back up without even any dust on his black suit wasn't in your face in between the very few scenes that pass as dialogue. Even Ian McShane's Winston was a one-dimensional caricature of himself. The single redeeming quality of the last movie was Donnie Yen's Caine character. Well, that and the fact that we'll never get a John Wick 5.

Ballerina comes out 6 June. It takes place between John Wick 3 and John Wick 4, with Keanu playing John Wick.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, April 5, 2025 12:48 PM

dbl post. site is wonky tonight, threads were unavailable for more than 1 hour. just came back.

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