Is isolationism bad?? What happens if or when the USA Withdraws from the World?
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'The resurgence of America First isolationism: the far-right’s opposition to NATO and the Ukraine war'
https://www.liberationnews.org/the-resurgence-of-america-first-isolati
onism-the-far-rights-opposition-to-nato-and-the-ukraine-war/
Biden: 'I absolutely guarantee' US commitment to NATO
https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2023/07/13/biden-absolutel
y-guarantee-us-commitment-nato/12248288002/
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:193, and two UN observer states.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
What happens?
The world gets screwed. Most of the World knows this. Not sure howmany Americans do in this age of Fake News.
SIGNY: Nah. Since nearly everywhere we go we make war and create instability and failed states, my guess is that MOST of the world would be better off without us.
For example, since we bailed on our Mideast wars to foment war in Ukraine, peace has broken out all over. Turkey and Syria are talking, Syria was welcomed back into the League of Arab Nations, and Iran and Saudi Arabia are making nice with each other.
Isn't the world so much better off without all of that sturm und drang (storm and strife)?
JSF: We are all familiar with your negativity,constantly.
How many nations are in the world today?Quote:Believe it or not, the USA is NOT the best place in the world, and it's getting worse by the year. There are many people in many nations who want to stay where they are. .
How many of those nations do not have citizens who dream of immigrating to the United States of America?
Yes, your negativity and/or ignorance reveals that you believe that humans strive to remain enslaved, are repelled from seeking Liberty or Freedom, and grovel for the chance to be ruled by evil Dictators.
They never yearn for the opportunity to Immigrate to America, become Free with Liberty, or choose their own destiny, have the option to pursue their dreams. Because there are so many Democracies in the world, and so many Democratic Republics in the world - even though United States has provided a template to emulate.
You must be right.
Quote:Quote:HUH???
JSF: I understand that you believe that America conquered France - twice - and absorbed it.
When have I posted about France??
What's your point?Quote:
JSF: Yet France does not currently speak English from border to border. Nor German. Same with most Yurpeen nations. And Japan, South Korea, Middle East.
Sure, Libtards and other Democrats love to tinker with the governments of other nations,Quote:I don't think Iraqis or Libyans or Syrians or Serbians or Iranians or Chinese or Russians or Venezuelans or Nicaraguans are in a very forgiving mood. And once people see that America can be defeated you might be surprised to find out just how many people hate the USA.
JSF: But the folks who live in those nations are able to see around the nonsense, to some degree.
NO, we're not universally hated, but we're not universally tolerated either.
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I'm not an America but perhaps if there a person can influence, do soemthing positive like Musk did building a company, or one could become citizen part of a movement, or maybe write a postive poem or make a cartoon that would open people'sThat said mind
No delusion of being a 'President'
Said I think if the USA falls a lot of the rest of the Anglo-American Empire might crumble, it won't die instantly but it could fade away like the Spanish or Dutch and be less of a player on the world stage
Defending borders seems a wise choice, lots of human trafficking and drugs plus if you do not have a border you do not have a nation
Empire?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
What happens?
The world gets screwed. Most of the World knows this. Not sure howmany Americans do in this age of Fake News.
SIGNY: Nah. Since nearly everywhere we go we make war and create instability and failed states, my guess is that MOST of the world would be better off without us.
For example, since we bailed on our Mideast wars to foment war in Ukraine, peace has broken out all over. Turkey and Syria are talking, Syria was welcomed back into the League of Arab Nations, and Iran and Saudi Arabia are making nice with each other.
Isn't the world so much better off without all of that sturm und drang (storm and strife)?
JSF: We are all familiar with your negativity,constantly.
How many nations are in the world today?
SIGNY: 193, and two UN observer states.
Besides, how is this negative? Isn't it a GOOD thing that people aren't running around, killing each other?
Quote:How is it negative that people are satisfied with their lives and their government? China, for instance... it's not for me, but apparently the Chinese are pretty happy with their lives and their government, because there government has materially raised their standard of living, lifting almost a billion people out of poverty.
JSF: How many of those nations do not have citizens who dream of immigrating to the United States of America?
SIGNY: Believe it or not, the USA is NOT the best place in the world, and it's getting worse by the year. There are many people in many nations who want to stay where they are.
JSF: Yes, your negativity and/or ignorance reveals that you believe that humans strive to remain enslaved, are repelled from seeking Liberty or Freedom, and grovel for the chance to be ruled by evil Dictators.
India should be so lucky!
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JSF: They never yearn for the opportunity to Immigrate to America, become Free with Liberty, or choose their own destiny, have the option to pursue their dreams. Because there are so many Democracies in the world, and so many Democratic Republics in the world - even though United States has provided a template to emulate.
EVEN YOU can't argue that we have all the freedoms that our Constitution supposedly enshrined. AFA making a life here... Thanks to our movies and other propaganda which portrays a living standard here THAT DOESN'T EXIST... many people in other nations believe that life here is better than it is. They should visit LA or San Francisco or Baltimore or Philly or Chicago or NYC or Appalachia.
Quote:I never said we conquered France. We HAVE turned them into vassal states, tho.
JSF: I understand that you believe that America conquered France - twice - and absorbed it.
SIGNY: HUH???
When have I posted about France??
What's your point?
JSF: Yet France does not currently speak English from border to border. Nor German. Same with most Yurpeen nations. And Japan, South Korea, Middle East.
Sure, Libtards and other Democrats love to tinker with the governments of other nations,
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JSF: But the folks who live in those nations are able to see around the nonsense, to some degree.
SIGNY: I don't think Iraqis or Libyans or Syrians or Serbians or Iranians or Chinese or Russians or Venezuelans or Nicaraguans are in a very forgiving mood. And once people see that America can be defeated you might be surprised to find out just how many people hate the USA.
NO, we're not universally hated, but we're not universally tolerated either.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I'm not an America but perhaps if there a person can influence, do soemthing positive like Musk did
Musk BTW was born and raised in S Africa to a S African father and a Canadian mother. He got a Canadian passport when he was 17 bc he didn't want to be inducted into their army.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
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I would argue the France have a level of political independence, they didn't go back into Nam they were already there and defeated then the United States of America, british and Australian go there, they spoke against fake WMD reasons for Iraq. The French do mess things up but it often is their own self, Bad Economics, Open Borders, a Socialism Utopia going to fail...it is all one them.
French might feel closer to Canada or Quebec or their island colonies than typical France–United States relations.
Washington probably does not trust their ability to fight, WW1 and another World War, USA was shocked by the sudden collapse of France, North African terrorists in the Postwar years, they are in NATO but out of NATO, say they will fight for NATO but always offering an alternative to NATO or mainstream European Anglo-American culture. They did join the bombing of Afghanistan for Bush administration's War on Terror, in most polls French adults surveyed held a negative opinion of 'Trump'...although this could be French just being miserable the past few years, Trump threatened tariffs against France but they also seem to dislike Biden.
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America functioned as the "other" in configuring French identity. To be French was not to be American. Americans were conformists, materialists, racists, violent, and vulgar. The French were individualists, idealists, tolerant, and civilized. Americans adored wealth; the French worshiped la douceur de vivre. This caricature of America, which was already broadly endorsed at the beginning of the century, served to essentialize French national identity. At the end of the twentieth century, the French strategy [was to use] America as a foil, as a way of defining themselves as well as everything from their social policies to their notion of what constituted culture.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190507011655/http://www.h-france.net/for
um/forumvol8/Kuisel5.pdf
the United States of America and its city seen as 'Go' but France almost nothing go them angry, but they riot over win, cheese, pensions, they wanted softer relaxed rhythms of life
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'Democracy Now' you could class them as Left, they are controversial so taken them with a pinch of salt. During the 2008 Republican National Convention in Saint Paul, Minnesota, several of Goodman's colleagues from Democracy Now! were arrested and detained by police while reporting on an anti-war protest outside the RNC. In year 2009, Goodman and her two colleagues, Denis Moynihan and Chuck Scurich, were detained for approximately 90 minutes by Canadian agents at the Douglas, British Columbia border crossing into Canada while en route to a scheduled meeting at the Vancouver Public Library. Immigration officials asked questions pertaining to the intended topics of discussion at the meeting.
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Biden’s Israel trip reflects a deeply flawed and hypocritical foreign policy
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Afghanistan a waste of time but other lessons?
The Neville Chamberlain Diary Letters, Volume IV: The Downing Street Years, 1934–1940
https://literaryreview.co.uk/guilty
The Triumph and Tragedy of Woodrow Wilson I
https://www.knoxfocus.com/archives/triumph-tragedy-woodrow-wilson/
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