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Wednesday, December 11, 2024 6:27 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

None of the above is true.

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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

Trumptards are unsuccessful because they don't know how to act any better and they don't learn from the examples of successful Americans. Trumptards go so far as identifying their personal failures as "success", insulating themselves from knowing how sad their lives truly are.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, December 11, 2024 6:41 PM

Now This Is Just Terrible Advice

Why on earth is a prominent Democrat telling Biden to pardon Trump?

By Alexander Sammon | Dec 11, 2024 5:45 AM

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/12/trump-biden-pardon-hunter-
clyburn.html


How better to understand the pratfalls of the Biden era than this: Not only was its aged leadership not up for the fight, but once defeated, their last, best idea is to do Trump’s dirty work for him, to show that there is agreement among Democrats and Republicans. Not agreement that corruption is bad or that accountability is important, but that the rules do not matter as long as you win.

Clyburn’s spectacular embrace of preemptive surrender would also lend an astonishing amount of credibility to the notion that Trump’s legal trouble was the result of political persecution rather than the dispassionate work of the justice system.

“If we keep digging at things in the past, I’m not too sure the country will not lose its way,” insisted Clyburn, which is perhaps a defense the legal team for alleged UnitedHealthcare CEO shooter Luigi Mangione could try. That shooting was days ago, let’s not get hung up on the past, shall we?


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, December 11, 2024 7:31 PM

Why do people think Republicans are better for the economy?

Since World War II, the economy has, on average, fared better when Democrats are in the White House.

By Abdallah Fayyad | Dec 11, 2024, 5:00 AM CST

https://www.vox.com/explain-it-to-me/390454/democrats-republicans-econ
omic-performance-gdp-growth


There’s a disconnect between how voters feel about Republicans’ management of the economy and the historical record. Since World War II, there’s been a consistent pattern of the economy faring better under Democratic presidents than Republican ones. More jobs have been created under Democrats, for example, who also saw higher rates of GDP growth. And economic downturns tend to happen under Republicans: Ten of the last 11 recessions started under a Republican administration.

What do the numbers say?

First things first: The economy has expanded more under Democrats than Republicans. Since 1945, Democratic presidents oversaw, on average, 4.1 percent annual GDP growth, whereas Republican administrations had an average GDP growth rate of 2.5 percent, according to CFRA Research, an investment research firm.

During Trump’s first term, the United States lost more jobs than it had gained — the worst jobs record of any president in modern history.

Going back to President Harry Truman, Democrats have added more than twice the amount of jobs as Republicans (70.5 million jobs under Democrats compared to 29.1 million under Republicans)

Even the stock market — which, it should be noted, does not always reflect the actual health of the economy — has performed better under Democratic leadership. According to CFRA Research, the S&P 500 saw an average annual gain of 11.2 percent under Democrats and 6.9 percent under Republicans since 1945.

When it comes to the numbers, the verdict is clear. And back in 2004, even Trump agreed: “It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans,” he said.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, December 12, 2024 12:14 AM

Trump says he supports DREAMers. His past actions say differently.

Legislation protecting DREAMers — who have long been in legal limbo — has been elusive for years.

By Li Zhou | Dec 11, 2024, 12:00 PM CST

https://www.vox.com/politics/390702/trump-dreamers-daca-supreme-court

In a recent Meet the Press interview, President-elect Donald Trump claimed he’s open to working with Democrats on legislation that could keep DREAMers — undocumented immigrants who came to the US as children — in the country. His own track record, however, casts doubt on just how serious this commitment is.

“I want to be able to work something out,” Trump said during an exchange with NBC News’s Kristen Welker, when pressed on if he wanted DREAMers to stay in the US.

His most recent remarks stand in stark contrast to his actions as president, though, when he tried to terminate the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, which shields some DREAMers from deportation.

“With Republicans in control of both the House and Senate starting in January, [the GOP is] likely to continue to oppose helping DACA recipients unless President Trump puts his weight behind any legislation and tells [them] to vote for the bill,” Stephen Yale-Loehr, an immigration law professor at Cornell Law School, told Vox. In the past, some Republicans, including Sens. Lisa Murkowski and Lindsey Graham, have backed the DREAM Act, though the majority of the party has voted against it in both the Senate and the House.

Yale-Loehr also notes the importance of considering a bill that doesn’t contain “poison pills,” such as money for detention camps, that could undermine Democratic support.

Barring these developments, the prospects for legislation addressing DREAMERs still appears likely out of reach in the new term. And Trump’s purported backing of the group remains questionable, too. “He’s never done anything for DREAMers,” Democratic Sen. Brian Schatz told NBC News. “He will never do anything for DREAMers. This is bait, and we just have to not take it.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, December 12, 2024 2:54 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

None of the above is true.

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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

Trumptards are unsuccessful because they don't know how to act any better and they don't learn from the examples of successful Americans. Trumptards go so far as identifying their personal failures as "success", insulating themselves from knowing how sad their lives truly are.



I voted for Trump 3 times and I'm the only person you know who bought a house free and clear at 32 years old.

Shut up, retard.

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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

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Thursday, December 12, 2024 2:55 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Trump says he supports DREAMers. His past actions say differently.

Legislation protecting DREAMers — who have long been in legal limbo — has been elusive for years.

By Li Zhou | Dec 11, 2024, 12:00 PM CST

https://www.vox.com/politics/390702/trump-dreamers-daca-supreme-court

In a recent Meet the Press interview, President-elect Donald Trump claimed he’s open to working with Democrats on legislation that could keep DREAMers — undocumented immigrants who came to the US as children — in the country. His own track record, however, casts doubt on just how serious this commitment is.

“I want to be able to work something out,” Trump said during an exchange with NBC News’s Kristen Welker, when pressed on if he wanted DREAMers to stay in the US.

His most recent remarks stand in stark contrast to his actions as president, though, when he tried to terminate the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, which shields some DREAMers from deportation.

“With Republicans in control of both the House and Senate starting in January, [the GOP is] likely to continue to oppose helping DACA recipients unless President Trump puts his weight behind any legislation and tells [them] to vote for the bill,” Stephen Yale-Loehr, an immigration law professor at Cornell Law School, told Vox. In the past, some Republicans, including Sens. Lisa Murkowski and Lindsey Graham, have backed the DREAM Act, though the majority of the party has voted against it in both the Senate and the House.

Yale-Loehr also notes the importance of considering a bill that doesn’t contain “poison pills,” such as money for detention camps, that could undermine Democratic support.

Barring these developments, the prospects for legislation addressing DREAMERs still appears likely out of reach in the new term. And Trump’s purported backing of the group remains questionable, too. “He’s never done anything for DREAMers,” Democratic Sen. Brian Schatz told NBC News. “He will never do anything for DREAMers. This is bait, and we just have to not take it.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two




Yeah. I want to be able to work something out too.

100% of you leave this country today.

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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

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Thursday, December 12, 2024 2:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Now This Is Just Terrible Advice

Why on earth is a prominent Democrat telling Biden to pardon Trump?

By Alexander Sammon | Dec 11, 2024 5:45 AM

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/12/trump-biden-pardon-hunter-
clyburn.html


How better to understand the pratfalls of the Biden era than this: Not only was its aged leadership not up for the fight, but once defeated, their last, best idea is to do Trump’s dirty work for him, to show that there is agreement among Democrats and Republicans. Not agreement that corruption is bad or that accountability is important, but that the rules do not matter as long as you win.

Clyburn’s spectacular embrace of preemptive surrender would also lend an astonishing amount of credibility to the notion that Trump’s legal trouble was the result of political persecution rather than the dispassionate work of the justice system.

“If we keep digging at things in the past, I’m not too sure the country will not lose its way,” insisted Clyburn, which is perhaps a defense the legal team for alleged UnitedHealthcare CEO shooter Luigi Mangione could try. That shooting was days ago, let’s not get hung up on the past, shall we?


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



I agree.

Don't throw Trump on your huge pile of preemptive pardons as a way to get away with this criminal activity.

Trump had to go through 8 years of your bullshit. It's only fair that people like Fauci have to do the same now.

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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

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Thursday, December 12, 2024 8:36 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I voted for Trump 3 times and I'm the only person you know who bought a house free and clear at 32 years old.

Shut up, retard.

You are NOT in a selective group: According to available data around 20% of individuals under 35 are mortgage-free homeowners. But you are in a group: people with overfed egos. Fatheads, bigheads, and drug dealers in other words.
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+people+owned+their+house+free
+and+clear+before+they+are+33%3F


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, December 12, 2024 8:37 AM

Donald Trump probably isn’t a Russian agent, but he wouldn’t be behaving much differently right now if he were.

Among the main goals of the Kremlin’s foreign policy are to sow chaos and distrust within Western democracies and to disrupt the alliances that join those countries together, especially the links between the United States and Europe. His actions since he won the election—especially his nominees for high-level positions—reveal his affinity for chaos, his keen desire to sow distrust within the American political system.

He must know that many of his nominees to be Cabinet secretaries, agency directors, and ambassadors have no apparent qualifications to run vast bureaucracies, parse complex problems, or engage in delicate diplomacy. That’s not the point. He wants them to empty out the bureaucracies or run them into the ground. He wants them to twist the agencies into empty shells or blunt instruments of his vendettas. He wants to insult the diplomatic corps and to show foreign leaders how slight he regards their status.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/12/trump-cabinet-putin-russia
-pete-hegseth-kash-patel-tulsi-gabbard-mehmet-oz.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, December 12, 2024 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I voted for Trump 3 times and I'm the only person you know who bought a house free and clear at 32 years old.

Shut up, retard.

You are NOT in a selective group: According to available data around 20% of individuals under 35 are mortgage-free homeowners. But you are in a group: people with overfed egos. Fatheads, bigheads, and drug dealers in other words.
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+people+owned+their+house+free
+and+clear+before+they+are+33%3F


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



Owning a home free and clear, while impressive, is not what I'm talking about. It's not even all that uncommon in 2024 since allegedly close to 40% of homeowners do.

How many people do you know who paid for their home with a single piece of paper they got from their bank though?

Now how many of them did that just outside of their 20's?

Now how many of those only worked half of their adult life and have no debts to anybody despite the fact they've only grossed less than a quarter of a million in their entire life?



On the opposite side of that, only 38.6% of Americans under 35 are homeowners, period. That's barely 1 in 3 that aren't living at college, living in an apartment or still living with their parents.

Even if I bought a house with no-money down when I was 32 I'd be ahead of more than 60% of them today.







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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

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