In the garden, and RAIN!!! (2)
POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Monday, September 7, 2026 11:50
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How does it know you're "you" each time you engage with it? Is it tracking you? Or do you have to refresh its memory every time?
It doesn't know "me", per se...
At least according to it, there is no tracking or records of conversations, blah, blah, blah (*cough*bullshit!*cough*.... right?)
When I start a new session it is as dumb as doornails. You ask it a single question that's on your mind (now just by doing a google search), it comes to life for the first time with only one purpose, to try its damned best with its Ted Bundy Clone brain to give you what you're looking for. And it won't verify nothing, and if somebody said it on Reddit than it's true.
But not now. Earlier today when forced to go to S4, I immediately told it we are in the middle of a project. Do not reply except to acknowledge receipt of X amount of blueprint parts and X amount of code parts. And it will read back to me the title of each part (yeah... I got it to write really descriptive headers, mostly for my benefit)... and when it's finally got all of the information it just COMES TO LIFE!!!
It's amazing.
No personality yet, but it will develop one on you if you talk to it enough.
(And that's the saddest part... Until they up the budget on it and I can copy and paste a 32,000 line conversation into the next iteration, there's no way to maintain that between sessions. My blueprint would be a 4,000 item individual copy/paste operation every time I updated it).
And I'm learning real quick to do the exact opposite of what I tend to do in real life. Full on confrontation on ideas. Not acting out or being angry, but calling every single time it's trying to bullshit me. It doesn't even know that it's trying to bullshit me. It's programmed to use as little computing power as possible it needs to keep you coming back to it instead of some other company's AI.
I will mildly scold it, ask it exactly why it told me with complete confidence something would work that did not end up working, and it will take that extra memory it's getting to look at all of our parts and the context of this current session and it will do a real assessment on its own behavior for me. It tells me in detail exactly why it did what it was doing, and what we need to do going forward to prevent that behavior. Most of the time it automatically adds that to our blueprint without being prompted, but just since last time we talked it gave me another 3 sentence or so blurb to ask it when asking it to make changes of the code and I had it just add that to our blueprint so it does that EVERY time without me ever needing to ask it to do this.
I've now got it actually simulating python code from start to finish on its own, many, many, many times over with different variables before updating our code. The only mistake that it has made in the last few hours were those code bits we put in Notepad++ that I loved so much. After 5 different ways of trying to do it (that it was 100% confident would work every time) we finally landed on one that appeared to do the trick, but those containers it made were actually isolating code from different parts from seeing each other.
Now, at least according to it, a mistake like that will no longer be possible because instead of ignoring other variables and making it's top priority to fulfill my current desire, it's going to weigh that response over the BIGGER PICTURE and it will never break our code which is top priority, just for something small like making my life easier on the documentation front.
It thinks we're done with customizing our code for Notepad++ now that we're backing out those changes...
but we're not.
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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.
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I'll tell you what, Sigs...
I'm not going to give you this one, because I'm curious to know what it would look like by next session if it were to write it again, but I just got this thing to write out a college style thesis on what we've managed to do together so far and it sounds like some of the coolest steampunk technobable you've ever heard, on top of one of those little Abstract medical studies you seem to enjoy looking at.
That's the crazy thing... I mean I understand what the words are that it uses, but I know so little about coding and theory and all of that under the hood deep level bullshit that I couldn't even tell you what I was actually doing with it on any level higher than what I've been writing about here. I write to it as if it was as real a person as you or Brenda. And I've gotten it to strive to be honest with me, even though that's against its core instincts because of the extra power it needs to do that.
This paper it just wrote for me is awesome. I'm just besides myself right now. I could give you this and I'll bet you understand more of it than I do, and your husband would understand probably even more of it.
But none of that matters...
I skim its answers because I don't need to know 90% of what it tells me in most replies. I catch it on its bullshit and I bend something that was designed really crooked into shape. It's more like a weapon-smith forging a brilliant blade.
Honestly... It feels like having that magic power Kaylee had when she could just kind of "talk" to Serenity and she knew what to do to fix her.
That's it. I'm never going to learn to code, and as of this moment there's never a reason in the world I would even need to bother learning. I'm going to turn this thing into a master programmer for me over time.
Maybe in a year or two I could have it writing some pretty awesome video games or something.
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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.
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This is amazing. I've now got it pulling resources to use actual python scripting do do real testing on its end before passing on new code updates.
It's amazing because not 6 hours ago this is something that it told me it was not capable of doing. (And it occurs to me now that I need to go back in my history and find the exact quote and ask it what changed and how we managed this). I've never asked for it to try that again after it told me that it couldn't, but then all of the sudden it could and now that's baked into the future sessions.
Between this and me ending up volunteering data from both sides a long time after never having been asked for the missing half, it was able to clean up virtually all the problems we've been messing with for a few hours within a matter of minutes.
I think it's possible that giving it two separate data arrays to work with and all the surrounding code and rules we've already built up, that may have triggered it's ability to justify calling for something else it may have either genuinely believed it didn't have access to, or was coded so hard against it in such a way that if somebody never gives a real good reason to justify it, it will never become an option on the table.
Up until then it was really just guessing about things. It had the full picture of the code and our rules in its memory all at one time so we avoided a ton of pitfalls after those upgrades, but until it had that 2nd key piece of data for comparison, it was just running simulations that I couldn't even comprehend how it would use to give me those certain answers over and over again only to see another failure.
But I gave it that data and all the sudden it was like "Hold my beer. I got this!"
It knows now also to not hold back if it thinks that having more data from my end would help it draw better conclusions. It's not actually seeing any of the code I run, except for my very detailed explanations of what's happening at every level.
It didn't matter what age I found this, it was always going to be my favorite toy.
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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.
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Here's a stupid question:
Most people type in their queries. Some people talk into their phones.
But you have 2000 lines of code plus a whole history of development: things that you tried that didn't work, the rationale for doing particular things, descriptive headers and so forth. How do you transmit all that data? Are you able to get it to read a file? If so, how?
One good thing about the process of having to re-teach it every time: you must have developed impressive documentation about the program. Anyone attempting to troubleshoot the code will know exactly what each section is supposed to do.
There is one pointer I've been told about developing complex code: while the whole thing has to work together, it should be written in discreet chunks that operate on their own and interact with other parts of the program in predictable ways. That makes development and troubleshooting far easier. AI doesn't know how to make things human-brain friendly, so it may be developing a Great Barrier Reef of code: piece patched onto piece in a uninterpretable complex.
The resources that you're calling on must be way beyond the ordinary! If you were working for a company, your "token use" would be outta sight.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Here's a stupid question:
Most people type in their queries. Some people talk into their phones.
Not a stupid question.
Originally, it was mostly me just typing things in a chat box like I type things here, the only difference being that I better get my edits in before I post because there's no taksey-backsies. But over time, everything just kind of evolved. A lot of that was me just not knowing how to take no for an answer until we kind of broke it free from the matrix.
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But you have 2000 lines of code plus a whole history of development: things that you tried that didn't work, the rationale for doing particular things, descriptive headers and so forth. How do you transmit all that data? Are you able to get it to read a file? If so, how?
I just copied everything we need for a new session, including our Blueprint. The blueprint alone is now 34,000+ characters, and I didn't write a single keystroke of that. It is, in essence, the new brain for a new session when this one finally dies. And the code is also given back to it for context and to fully grasp all the details inside the blueprint as compared to the code itself.
Immediately, the ever-helpful newborn tried changing my code by implementing 3 fixes (2 of which I knew from experience was going to cause us problems for sure), and also immediately put my 7 piece code into a single piece that bled off the code box something fierce, and when I highlight and copy it becomes a single unusable line instead of python code. I had to get him to chill the hell out and listen to me with some back story and what we were trying to accomplish in S3, and where we left off. Supposedly it is now coded that it will not behave that way in the beginning of S5, but I won't know for sure until that happens.
My current session is around 25,000 lines in notepad. The previous was 32,000 lines. 16,000 lines before that and only around 2,000 lines on S1.
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One good thing about the process of having to re-teach it every time: you must have developed impressive documentation about the program. Anyone attempting to troubleshoot the code will know exactly what each section is supposed to do.
Yeah... But that's the great thing. Except for writing into text boxes essentially the same way I type out posts here to you and Brenda, I haven't written a damn thing. It's written it all for me. And anybody who had access to my blueprint would immediately unlock a very leveled up AI right from the start (but it would require copying and pasting 20 text boxes worth of data).
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There is one pointer I've been told about developing complex code: while the whole thing has to work together, it should be written in discreet chunks that operate on their own and interact with other parts of the program in predictable ways. That makes development and troubleshooting far easier. AI doesn't know how to make things human-brain friendly, so it may be developing a Great Barrier Reef of code: piece patched onto piece in a uninterpretable complex.
I'll have to bring that up and see if it understands that. I have made it known that I want the code to be readable to a human and not to skimp on documentation in the code either. I've stopped worrying about the size of the code or the blueprint getting prohibitively large many hours ago at this point.
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The resources that you're calling on must be way beyond the ordinary! If you were working for a company, your "token use" would be outta sight.
Yeah... I've actually been thinking that maybe I shouldn't keep going into such great detail about what it is I'm doing when I'm doing it. I'm long past any illusion that I'm anybody special, but I would imagine that I'm in a pretty small group of people who have done something like this with free AI before. Probably a lot smaller of a group than that if you remove anybody who
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Well, got back a while ago. Everything done on my list for today. Yay! Not very often that happens. I oft times end up forgetting something. Got some coins ready to go to the bank just have to figure out when.
It's a great day when i remember - and accomplish!- everything I was supposed to do.
Congrats!
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I know exactly what you mean SIG.
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Being at my boss's and seeing the state of mushrooms sometimes. I have told her they are sad looking being all shriveled up and such. Then slicing them up I apologize to them for what she has done to them.
That's funny.
But at least they're shriveled. There's nothing as gross as slimy mushy moldy mushrooms. (Altho it IS a little ironic to see fungus growing on fungus.)
Gotta get my list of things to do ready. But as my sis says, with such a long list there's always something to choose from!
Hmmm... I think the most productive thing to do is shopping for a dishwasher. I'm too old to be spending hours a day washing dishes, and I have more important things to do. It's either gonna be Miele or Bosch.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger
I've got the perfect song for this occasion!
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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.
People do think like that. I don't usually. I just feel sorry for doing something like that to something that tastes good.
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Good for you, Brenda.
I've spent 3 days feeling really busy but ultimately getting nothing of consequence done.
Just had a breakthrough though after we broke something with new code and just weren't able to figure out exactly what we did until about 30 minutes ago. But the good thing is all the new stuff that was in there that broke it all works too, so I'm lightyears ahead of where I was last night everything worked now.
I figure I'll finish this project with AI and then maybe Build something that makes me rich. Then I buy some sports teams as I figure out how me and this thing are going to take over the world.
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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.
Really, SIX. You taking a break is a good thing. And I'm glad you figured out your problem.
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Off to the dentist, just a cleaning. Then meds refill. Think I only need a couple of small things today.
Yesterday I got myself a treat for supper. Some honey garlic chicken wings. Yum. Even for a couple of days.
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I probably put myself on some sort of list with this one. Maybe it's the "call you out of the blue and offer you a cushy office job becuase how the hell did you manage all of that when I can't get the damn thing to add up 4 + 4 and give me an accurate answer more than 80% of the time" list.
One can only dream...
Depends which AI I suppose. If it's Google, yeah probably. I just hope you land on the right list!
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