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Punishing Russia With Sanctions

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Monday, May 2, 2022 6:47 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I've paid about $150 for gas so far this year. I'm not worried about me, honey.

So why was gas only $2.20 here almost the entire time Trump was President?

Oil companies were just being nice between 2016 and 2020, huh?


Don't break your back shilling so hard.

To get into the natural gas business, I explained to my Republican voting relatives how fuel prices are set. The relatives told me I was wrong-wrong-wrong because the President of the United States sets the prices indirectly. My relatives didn't know, and haven't learned since then, how fuel prices are set. I don't think they will ever understand, but because they didn't loan me money to start my business, they didn't get any of the profits. They think it is unfair, but I tell them if they are so smart about how the fuel business works (they still insist the President indirectly sets prices) why aren't they rich?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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THG
Monday, May 2, 2022 6:56 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by THG:

Two, send me money buddy. Lots of it. We're friends, right?

T




Did you ever hear of John D Rockefeller? He didn't become a philanthropist until after he retired. I'm not retired.






Too funny two, too funny.

T


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Monday, May 2, 2022 6:59 PM

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Originally posted by THG:

Too funny two, to funny.

T





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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

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Monday, May 2, 2022 7:05 PM

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Originally posted by second:
To get into the natural gas business, I explained to my Republican voting relatives how fuel prices are set. The relatives told me I was wrong-wrong-wrong because the President of the United States sets the prices indirectly. My relatives didn't know, and haven't learned since then, how fuel prices are set. I don't think they will ever understand, but because they didn't loan me money to start my business, they didn't get any of the profits. They think it is unfair, but I tell them if they are so smart about how the fuel business works (they still insist the President indirectly sets prices) why aren't they rich?



The internet is full of people who lie about how rich they are.

There's not one single person here who believes any stories about you being rich except for Ted. And that's only because Ted is a simple minded fool and you happen to say things that he agrees with.

You would literally die if your circumstances changed and had to live my life overnight, while I flourish.

It's taken years of discipline and living far below my means even when income was great to do what I've done and continue to do today.

I was even able to afford to and weather a 5 year near-zero-income binge drinking session without losing it all in between and subsequently build myself back up to where I was before that while also making great improvements on my house and land at the same time.

You are talking to the wrong guy about financial stability, Second. I'm a rock.



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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

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Monday, May 2, 2022 7:07 PM

Wow. Ted fixed his "typo" after the fact.

First time I ever saw him do that before. He usually sticks with stupid after I point it out.

Good job, buddy.



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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

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THG
Monday, May 2, 2022 11:18 PM




Bam!

T




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THG
Monday, May 2, 2022 11:20 PM

T


PUTIN PARADE MOSCOW


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Sunday, May 8, 2022 5:18 AM

Until Ukraine, Russia Lobbyists Successfully Blunted U.S. Sanctions After Foreign Adventurism

After unpopular assaults on Crimea and eastern Ukraine, Russia and Kremlin-associated interests spent millions on lobbying in Washington.

The invasion of Ukraine is not the first time in recent memory that Russian foreign policy has given rise to harsh criticisms in Washington. But it does mark the first time that the Kremlin has been hobbled in its ability to respond through normal D.C. channels — namely, through high-powered K Street lobbyists.

Before its invasion of Ukraine, the Kremlin poured hefty sums of money into lobbying in Washington, D.C. The Kremlin itself, state-run companies, and other firms linked to Russia’s leadership frequently used K Street lobbyists in the 21st century to soften the fallout from Russia’s foreign misadventures — often to spare Russian entities from the worst punishments. Now sanctions on the Russian government and Kremlin-linked firms have meant that kind of spending isn’t possible.

Many Russian interests have shifted their lobbying goals to just trying to manage the breakup of the U.S.-Russia relationship.

“With Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, it became clear that we don’t need lobbyists, we need really good divorce lawyers,” said Julie Newton, a research fellow at the Russian and Eurasian Studies Centre at St. Antony’s College. “Lobbying today is a dialogue of the deaf.”

That wasn’t always the case. The Russian government and Kremlin-connected firms successfully garnered considerable influence in the U.S. prior to the recent invasion of Ukraine.

Russia’s high-dollar lobbying approach kicked off in August 2008, when it tried to pacify U.S. responses to Russian aggression following the country’s invasion of Georgia. Washington placed blame for the five-day war squarely on Russia, particularly given the Kremlin’s recognition of independence for the breakaway provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia and the expulsion of Georgian forces from the two territories. Led by the late Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., many Washington power brokers called for punishing Russian aggression.

With punitive actions on the table, Russia nearly doubled its spending on lobbyists. In total, the amount of money reported by firms receiving from Russian interests soared from just over $5 million in 2007, prior to the invasion, to more than $9 million in 2009, an analysis of Foreign Agents Registration Act records shows.

Ketchum, a public relations firm representing the Russian Federation, went into overdrive to flip the narrative and blame Georgia for the conflict. Ketchum facilitated interviews for the New York Times with Russian military officials, distributed briefing notes on the war to the Washington Post, and arranged a CNN interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin himself. Ketchum also helped place an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal from Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on August 20, 2008, which said that Russia “remains committed to a peaceful resolution in the Caucasus.” In early 2009, the Russian government hired another firm, Alston & Bird, amid a multimillion-dollar surge in lobbying spending by Russian interests.

This Russian rehabilitation campaign largely worked, and the Kremlin successfully weathered the storm wrought by its invasion of Georgia. The George W. Bush administration did little to punish Putin’s aggression in 2008, and Russia was an afterthought in the Obama administration — or, sometimes, literally a punchline.

Russia would again face down consequences from Washington following its 2014 annexation of the Crimean Peninsula. With President Barack Obama joining in on the criticisms, Washington was less forgiving than after the war in Georgia. Though Obama was clear to rule out any military conflict with Russia, the U.S. announced a visa ban, canceled military consultations with Russia, expanded military flights over former Soviet states, sanctioned several Russian firms, and expanded security assistance to Ukraine.

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Sunday, May 8, 2022 6:11 AM

The U$D is rising against other major currencies, but the Russian ruble is now rising against the U$D, at 69 rubles per dollar - more valuable than it was BEFORE the Ukraine invasion.

You're boring. All you do is spout propaganda/ wishful thinking that is SO at variance from reality there is no way to even have a pointed discussion with you, much less expect any sort of actual analysis.

Sanctions will hurt Russia. But they will also hurt the EU probably even more. The question is, who is going to be hurt faster and reach a political collapse first?

You can't fight reality.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Sunday, May 8, 2022 6:36 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The U$D is rising against other major currencies, but the Russian ruble is now rising against the U$D, at 69 rubles per dollar - more valuable than it was BEFORE the Ukraine invasion.

You can't fight reality.

The ruble’s value is not the best barometer of how effective the sanctions are. Annual inflation accelerated to 17.73% as of April 29, its highest since 2002 and up from 17.70% a week earlier, the economy ministry said. Inflation is on track to accelerate to 18-23% in the whole of 2022, the central bank forecasts. It targets inflation of 4%. Year-to-date, consumer prices are up 11.56%.
https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/russian-weekly-inflation-ease
s-after-rate-cut-2022-05-06
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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