Punishing Russia With Sanctions
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Russian troops discussed Bucha atrocities over radio, German intelligence agency claims. The German Federal Intelligence Service (BND) presented the findings in parliament Wednesday, the German news magazine Der Spiegel reported.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Since you can't blame Russia for what it's done, or what it's doing right now, you stoop to blaming Russia for what you're convinced ... convinced, I tell you!... what Russian soldiers "will do" in the future.
Yanno, bc they have access to Russian TV on the battlefield, and have nothing to do but watch it, and take their orders from it.
Meanwhile, Moscow has called the images from Bucha a 'monstrous forgery' and denies everything all the time, without stopping for a breath. Moscow has not, yet, claimed that the radio transmissions were fake, but give Moscow a little time and it will.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-intercepted-russian-troop-calls-on-atroc
ities-in-ukraine-report/a-61390212
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Polish Russian Collaborator Signym's constant support of Russia means she is cut from the same cloth as those who raped, murdered and tortured the men, women and children of Ukraine.
She is a sewer rat.
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Quote:Which means ...what? We're discussing it here, too.
SignyM:
Since you can't blame Russia for what it's done, or what it's doing right now, you stoop to blaming Russia for what you're convinced ... convinced, I tell you!... what Russian soldiers "will do" in the future.
Yanno, bc they have access to Russian TV on the battlefield, and have nothing to do but watch it, and take their orders from it.
SECOND: Russian troops discussed Bucha atrocities over radio, German intelligence agency claims.
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Don't forget that 51 ... fifty one! ... former "intelligence" officials stood shoulder to shoulder and dismissed the laptop as "Russian disinformation". Consider THAT next time you hear anything from "intelligence" sources!
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Quote:Putin had denied, repeatedly, Russian responsibility for the 4 million deaths of the Holodomor. I know it's a long time ago, but the denial of Russian responsibility for deaths is a recurring theme with Russians since the year 862.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Which means ...what? We're discussing it here, too.
More recently, where there are piles of dead Ukrainian prisoners, Putin is claiming those deaths are not Russia's responsibility. That is the same old theme, again, where Russians think they can alter reality by lying and escape blame. Russia's long and grubby history ought to have convinced Russians that lying does not change reality, but they remain unconvinced. Ukrainians will be making a strong and, perhaps, a convincing argument, but without using words.
Ukraine has more than enough ammo to kill the entire Russian Army. Putin will run out of soldiers and tanks to throw at Ukraine before Ukraine runs out of bullets and Javelins. Ukraine has the people who will do it because they remember the Holodomor and they are never allowing irresponsible Russians like Putin to murder another 4 million Ukrainians.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Holodomor+Putin
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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In that entire article (the first one that comes up, Atlantic Council), SECOND, there is not one mention of Putin "denying" the Holodomor.
In the search results there is not one mention of Putin denying Russian responsibility.
Is lying so SECOND-nature that you just can't help yourself?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:Too bad, Signym, but you didn't try very hard.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In that entire article (the first one that comes up, Atlantic Council), SECOND, there is not one mention of Putin "denying" the Holodomor.
In the search results there is not one mention of Putin denying Russian responsibility.
Is lying so SECOND-nature that you just can't help yourself?
Russia still denies the Holodomor was ‘genocide’
https://www.acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2017/11/27/russia-sti
ll-denies-holodomor-was-genocide
There is a picture of shifty eyed Putin on that article.
Russia Denies Stalin’s Killer Famine
REWRITING HISTORY: Russia’s international propaganda outlet just recycled an old, debunked claim that Stalin’s terror-famine in Ukraine was a Western “hoax.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-denies-stalins-killer-famine
Ukraine is well aware that Russians are very capable of murdering millions of people, followed by faking amnesia about the murders, because Russia has done exactly that many times, and the Ukrainians will fight to the death of every last Russian solder, sailor, and pilot to never again be owned by Russia.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Putin won’t be stopped until Germany ends its energy dependence
Vladimir Putin’s war of aggression runs on the money Russia gets by selling fossil fuels to Europe. And while Ukraine has, incredibly, repelled Russia’s attempt to seize Kyiv, Putin won’t be definitively stopped until Europe ends its energy dependence.
Which means that Germany — whose political and business leaders insist that they can’t do without Russian natural gas, even though many of its own economists disagree — has in effect become Putin’s prime enabler. This is shameful; it is also incredibly hypocritical given recent German history.
The background: Germany has been warned for decades about the risks of becoming dependent on Russian gas. But its leaders, focused on the short-run benefits of cheap energy, ignored those warnings. On the eve of the Ukraine war, 55 percent of German gas came from Russia.
There’s no question that quickly cutting off, or even greatly reducing, this gas flow would be painful. But multiple economic analyses — from the Brussels-based Bruegel Institute, the International Energy Agency and ECONtribute, a think tank sponsored by the Universities of Bonn and Cologne — have found that the effects of drastically reducing gas imports from Russia would be far from catastrophic to Germany.
As one member of the German Council of Economic Experts, which fills a role somewhat similar to that of the U.S. Council of Economic Advisers, put it, an embargo on Russian gas would be difficult but “feasible.”
The ECONtribute analysis offers a range of estimates, but their worst-case number is that an embargo on Russian gas would temporarily reduce Germany’s real G.D.P. by 2.1 percent. I’ll put that number in context shortly.
Now, German industrialists refuse to accept economists’ estimates, insisting that a gas embargo would indeed be catastrophic. But they would say that, wouldn’t they? Industrial leaders everywhere always claim that any proposed restriction on their activities would be an economic disaster.
For example, back in 1990 U.S. industry groups issued dire warnings against policies to reduce acid rain, insisting that they would cost hundreds of billions and even lead to “the potential destruction of the Midwest economy.” None of that happened; in fact, the new rules produced large public health benefits at modest financial cost.
Unfortunately, Germany’s political leaders, including Chancellor Olaf Scholz, have taken the side of the scaremongers. The revelations of Russian atrocities in Ukraine have led to grudging acknowledgments that something must be done, but still not much sense of urgency.
What strikes me — a parallel that for some reason I haven’t seen many people drawing — is the contrast between Germany’s current reluctance to make moderate sacrifices, even in the face of horrific war crimes, and the immense sacrifices Germany demanded of other countries during the European debt crisis a decade ago.
As some readers may remember, early last decade much of southern Europe faced a crisis as lending dried up, sending interest rates on government debt soaring. German officials were quick to blame these countries for their own plight, insisting, with much moralizing, that they were in trouble because they had been fiscally irresponsible and now needed to pay the price.
As it turns out, this diagnosis was mostly wrong. Much of the surge in southern European interest rates reflected a market panic rather than fundamentals; borrowing costs plunged, even for Greece, after the president of the European Central Bank said three words — “whatever it takes” — suggesting that the bank would, if necessary, step in to buy the debt of troubled economies.
Yet Germany took the lead in demanding that debtor nations impose extreme austerity measures, especially spending cuts, no matter how large the economic costs. And those costs were immense: Between 2009 and 2013 the Greek economy shrank by 21 percent while the unemployment rate rose to 27 percent.
But while Germany was willing to impose economic
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Nobody cares.
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Quote:You "misrepresent" what was said. AGAIN.
SIGNYM:
In that entire article (the first one that comes up, Atlantic Council), SECOND, there is not one mention of Putin "denying" the Holodomor.
In the search results there is not one mention of Putin denying Russian responsibility.
Is lying so SECOND-nature that you just can't help yourself?
SECOND: Too bad, Signym, but you didn't try very hard.
Russia still denies the Holodomor was ‘genocide’
https://www.acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2017/11/27/russia-sti
ll-denies-holodomor-was-genocide
"SECOND" really must mean "lying is my SECOND nature".
I'll leave yur lie up there for a while and see if anyone figures it out.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:During WWII, the Russian army distinguished itself by having the highest number of causalities of any army in history. With a bit more competence by Russia leaders, there wouldn't have been so much waste of Russian soldiers. Since WWII, Russian leaders had just as many years to get better at their jobs as every other country's leaders. But what have Russians accomplished in all those years, other than militarily, other than H-bombs, nuclear subs, missiles, and rebuilding their army? Not much: https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:You "misrepresent" what was said. AGAIN.
SIGNYM:
In that entire article (the first one that comes up, Atlantic Council), SECOND, there is not one mention of Putin "denying" the Holodomor.
In the search results there is not one mention of Putin denying Russian responsibility.
Is lying so SECOND-nature that you just can't help yourself?
SECOND: Too bad, Signym, but you didn't try very hard.
Russia still denies the Holodomor was ‘genocide’
https://www.acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2017/11/27/russia-sti
ll-denies-holodomor-was-genocide
"SECOND" really must mean "lying is my SECOND nature".
I'll leave yur lie up there for a while and see if anyone figures it out.
Putin wants to bring his management skills to Ukraine. Ukrainians are not favorably impressed with his skills in managing the Russian economy (#11 in the world) or Russian army (#2 in the world). That army might not be big enough to handle Ukraine unless Putin makes the ultimate bad business decision -- nuke Ukraine to compensate for Putin's incompetent military leadership. If Putin does bring out the nukes, Russia will lose its position as the 11th largest economy in the world.
The world's 20 strongest militaries
https://www.businessinsider.in/defense/ranked-the-worlds-20-strongest-
militaries/slidelist/51930339.cms#slideid=51930371
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Relax, Karen.
Nobody is nuking anybody.
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