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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Saturday, June 18, 2022 4:05 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:

The reason "why" there is a global food crisis is because of sanctions against Russia and the reason "why" Russia has not stepped in with Africa is because of sanctions against Russian banks. It's difficult for African banks to arrange non- dollar payments through non-SWIFT systems, which I what the African Union was organizing with Russia.

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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake


Russia does NOT need to be paid for grain that it stole from Ukraine:

Russia Seeks Buyers for Plundered Ukraine Grain, U.S. Warns
American diplomats have alerted 14 countries, most in Africa, that Russian ships filled with stolen Ukrainian grain could be headed their way, posing a dilemma to countries facing dire food shortages.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/05/world/africa/ukraine-grain-russia-s
ales.html


Meanwhile, Putin Claims Russia Will ‘Guarantee’ Peaceful Export Of Ukrainian Grain
Putin denied accusations his armed forces are blocking Ukrainian grain exports from the Black Sea and said his government would “guarantee" peaceful passage to ships leaving Ukraine's ports. (Putin has NOT told his Navy about his “guarantee", for some reason. Putin is such an entertaining comedian. )
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-war-grain/31882556.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, June 18, 2022 4:43 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yes. You are Reaverfan. And I've got receipts.

None of that technically matters though because there is no TOS on this site regarding sockpuppet accounts. It is just useful information when painting a picture of who the real you is.

Put yourself together, or we will continue to add your future comments to the already very long list of terrible shit you've said here that would have already seen you banned from any social media platform.

Push it hard enough and I will get you removed from this site just like I got your alternate handle removed.

This is not a threat. It is a promise.

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6ix, you have learned two ways from Putin about how to get people to do what 6ix wants them to do.

1. 6ix, you sound like Putin when he threatens to have somebody nuke the USA. But Russian generals probably aren't listening because Putin is a crazy pipsqueak (possibly dying of cancer). 6ix reminds me of other crazy pipsqueaks I know. Funny how pipsqueaks vote for Trump. I doubt Haken voted for Trump. I doubt Haken writes "nobody cares about Ukraine" as 6ix does, but you never know. Maybe Haken will bend to your crazy will, 6ix, because Haken senses something worthwhile beyond your squeakiness.

2. Have you recently heard all the things Putin is saying about the USA? Short version is that Russia is not fighting Ukraine. Rather it is fighting the USA. Putin knows that he is rabble-rousing Russians, in order to get them to support the war. It is of no consequence that his lies will be recognized back in the USA and EU because his Russians won't know they have been lied to. Similarly, 6ix, you lying about me, misidentifying me as "Reaverfan", the way Putin is lying about the USA.

I continue to love 6ix's signature "Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus" or "false in one thing, false in everything." Putin would wisely not make that his signature because he, unlike 6ix, would understand the irony. Liars such as Putin, 6ix and Trump should never point out that everything they say is not to be trusted. 6ix is the only one of the 3 dumb enough to make lying part of his personal signature.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, June 18, 2022 4:59 PM

The fog of war and international relations in Ukraine

Eric Kramer | June 17, 2022 8:51 am
https://angrybearblog.com/2022/06/the-fog-of-war-and-international-rel
ations-in-ukraine


Understanding the situation in Ukraine and how it will likely evolve in the future is impossible for me, partly due the inherent complexity and unpredictability of war and international relations, and partly because the main players have such strong incentives to strategically misrepresent their actions and intentions. Are the Ukrainians really getting killed by Russian artillery fire in unsustainable numbers, or are the Ukrainians putting pressure on Biden and the Europeans to step up arms deliveries? Is the U.S. committed to supplying the Ukrainians with needed weapons as rapidly as training and logistics permit, or are we slow-walking arms deliveries? Are we willing to leave the end-game negotiations entirely to the Ukrainians, or are we prepared to pressure Ukraine into a land-for-peace deal by withholding material support? Even if Biden/European leaders are willing to support the Ukrainians now, how will public opinion evolve (against Ukraine, I am afraid)? What happens if Russia turns off the oil or gas spigots? If Ukraine holds off the current Russian onslaught, will they be able to mount a sustainable offensive to reclaim captured land?

Granted I am not at all an expert in military affairs and international relations, but people who spend their lives studying these issues come to different conclusions that to me seem at least somewhat plausible.

Some links:

1. Logistical challenges getting HIMARS/MLRS to Ukraine.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/6/1/2101780/-Ukraine-Update-Not-
enough-Here-s-the-challenge-of-moving-even-four-HIMARS


2. Russian energy warfare.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220618093554/https://www.wsj.com/article
s/russia-slashes-gas-flows-aiming-economic-weapon-at-europe-11655393254

Quote:

“The Kremlin believes it’s in a perennial struggle with the U.S. and EU both on the battlefields in Ukraine and in geoeconomics, and Moscow has few tools to punch back and inflict pain on its opponents,” said Alexander Gabuev, senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. “Gas is the most potent one, and it looks like Moscow has decided to make the first move now without giving Europe time to prepare and disrupt the filling of storages.”

3. Russian information warfare, outwaiting public opinion.
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1534759968628518914
Quote:

This compilation of clips explains why the Russians think they're winning and don't need to negotiate. Spoiler: they're waiting for the GOP to prevail in midterms and abandon Ukraine. They're also encouraged by our media coverage—especially Tucker Carlson.

4. And Biden asks Blinken and Austin to tone it down on war aims. (I guess it’s message discipline for thee, but not for me.)
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/secretaries-defense
-state-said-publicly-us-wanted-ukraine-win-biden-sa-rcna33826


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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THG
Saturday, June 18, 2022 6:05 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Originally posted by second:

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Turning to the global food crisis, Putin claims the problem “did not emerge today” and accuses Europe of “trying to blame it on someone else”.

The reason "why" there is a global food crisis is because of sanctions against Russia and the reason "why" Russia has not stepped in with Africa is because of sanctions against Russian banks. It's difficult for African banks to arrange non- dollar payments through non-SWIFT systems, which I what the African Union was organizing with Russia.





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UKRAINE FIGHTS FOR EVERY INCH! Current Ukraine War Footage With The Enforcer (Day 113)


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Saturday, June 18, 2022 6:26 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yes. You are Reaverfan. And I've got receipts.

None of that technically matters though because there is no TOS on this site regarding sockpuppet accounts. It is just useful information when painting a picture of who the real you is.

Put yourself together, or we will continue to add your future comments to the already very long list of terrible shit you've said here that would have already seen you banned from any social media platform.

Push it hard enough and I will get you removed from this site just like I got your alternate handle removed.

This is not a threat. It is a promise.

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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus

6ix, you have learned two ways from Putin about how to get people to do what 6ix wants them to do.

1. 6ix, you sound like Putin when he threatens to have somebody nuke the USA. But Russian generals probably aren't listening because Putin is a crazy pipsqueak (possibly dying of cancer). 6ix reminds me of other crazy pipsqueaks I know. Funny how pipsqueaks vote for Trump. I doubt Haken voted for Trump. I doubt Haken writes "nobody cares about Ukraine" as 6ix does, but you never know. Maybe Haken will bend to your crazy will, 6ix, because Haken senses something worthwhile beyond your squeakiness.

2. Have you recently heard all the things Putin is saying about the USA? Short version is that Russia is not fighting Ukraine. Rather it is fighting the USA. Putin knows that he is rabble-rousing Russians, in order to get them to support the war. It is of no consequence that his lies will be recognized back in the USA and EU because his Russians won't know they have been lied to. Similarly, 6ix, you lying about me, misidentifying me as "Reaverfan", the way Putin is lying about the USA.

I continue to love 6ix's signature "Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus" or "false in one thing, false in everything." Putin would wisely not make that his signature because he, unlike 6ix, would understand the irony. Liars such as Putin, 6ix and Trump should never point out that everything they say is not to be trusted. 6ix is the only one of the 3 dumb enough to make lying part of his personal signature.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



Oh, the irony.



Sure thing, Reaverfan.



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Sunday, June 19, 2022 12:18 AM

Quote:

SECOND: Turning to the global food crisis, Putin claims the problem “did not emerge today” and accuses Europe of “trying to blame it on someone else”.

SIGNY: The reason "why" there is a global food crisis is because of sanctions against Russia and the reason "why" Russia has not stepped in with Africa is because of sanctions against Russian banks. It's difficult for African banks to arrange non- dollar payments through non-SWIFT systems, which I what the African Union was organizing with Russia.

THUGR:
UKRAINE FIGHTS FOR EVERY INCH! Current Ukraine War Footage With The Enforcer (Day 113)

http://www.youtube. com/watch?v=2WXOSgYJoGs



I guess when THUGR has nothing RELEVANT to add, he adds something pointless/

HEY, THUGR: "Fighting for every inch" is NOT a winning strategy. it is a strategy designed to get Ukrainian soldiers killed en masse. When you have air control and the upper hand in longer-range weapons, as Russia does, concentrations of Ukrainian troops and materiel will simply be destroyed. Pouring more men and weaponry into range of Russia's artillery is a losing proposition and a guarantee of defeat. It's tragic and tragically stupid, not heroic.

Ukraine DOES have some areas heavily trenched and isn't above emplacing its weaponry in apartment buildings, schools, hospitals and malls, so that complicates Russian use of artillery and longer-range weapons. But if Ukrainian troops can be drawn out into a kill zone, as has happened in northern Luhansk, the Russians don't mind shelling all week long.

Yeah! FIGHT ON, Ukie troops! /snark


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Sunday, June 19, 2022 2:45 AM

From Moon of Alabama, a German blogger with a military background.

Quote:

Ukraine - The West's Response As It Meets With Reality

This morning I watched an hour long discussion (vid) by 'experts' at the Center for Strategic & International Studies about assessing Russia's war in Ukraine. I have to say that these folks know nothing that is relevant. They seem to have never heard of Sun Tsu's dictum 'Know your enemy':

Sun Tzu says, “To know your enemy, you must become your enemy,” but how do you become your enemy? You need to put yourself in the place of your enemy so you can predict his actions.

Not once did the CSIS people consider the view of Russia or its real intent. They talk about this or that U.S. option but do not even once consider how the other side would react to it.

One of the CSIS 'experts' says that Russia had planned to take Kiev but failed. Take Kiev with what? There were some 20-30.000 Russian soldiers near Kiev which has some 3 million inhabitants. Historically one needs one soldier for every 40 civilians to occupy a city or country after the fighting is mostly over. Russia would have needed more than two and a half times the number of troops it had around Kiev to take and hold the city.

Several of the CSIS 'experts' have previously held high government positions in the security state. With folks like them it is no wonder to see how badly the U.S. plan to drag Russia into a long war in Ukraine is playing out.

As Daniel Larson correctly writes: We should’ve known sanctions on Russia wouldn’t work as intended
The other side of the game is much more conscious of the real situation and it does consider and correctly predicts U.S. reactions.

On Thursday the Foreign Minister of the Russian federation Sergey Lavrov gave three interviews to different news outlets.

The first one with TASS was quite short.
Transcript: Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s interview with TASS news agency, St Petersburg, June 16, 2022

The second one with BBC shows an acerbic Lavrov who several times reminds the interviewer that many cruel things had happened in Ukraine before the "Special Military Operation" started on February 24, that negotiations had failed and that Ukrainian duties under the Minsk agreements were not carried out. The interviewer tries again and again to neglect that historical context and to put the blame for the war on Russia. Lavrov calls that a form of 'chancel culture'.
BBC: Video with English subtitles
Transcript: Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s interview with the BBC TV channel, St Petersburg, June 16, 2022

Question: But the situation changed four months ago …

Sergey Lavrov: The situation has not changed. We are going back to what the Minsk agreements were coordinated for: protecting Russians in Donbass, who have been betrayed by the French and Germans. The British also played a leading role. All our Western colleagues kept saying they were unable to make Kiev honour the Minsk agreements.
...
Question: In the eyes of the West, Russia is responsible for these people. Do you think the death sentence …

Sergey Lavrov: I am not interested in the “eyes of the West” at all. I am only interested in international law, according to which mercenaries are not combatants. So nothing in your eyes matters.

The last Lavrov interview is with a Russian TV station. It is the longest but also the best. It explains Russia's position quite well and is easy to understand.
Transcript: Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s interview with the NTV network, St Petersburg, June 16, 2022

A day after Lavrov's interviews president Vladimir Putin held a speech at the 25th St.Petersburg economic forum. The transcript is here:
Full text of Vladimir Putin’s speech at SPIEF June 17, 2022

The speech is long but the second part is about domestic economic measures in Russia and not of much interest. I recommend to read the fist part in full but here are a few bits:

A direct result of the Eur

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THG
Sunday, June 19, 2022 6:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

THUGR:
UKRAINE FIGHTS FOR EVERY INCH! Current Ukraine War Footage With The Enforcer (Day 113)

http://www.youtube. com/watch?v=2WXOSgYJoGs


Quote:


I guess when THUGR has nothing RELEVANT to add, he adds something pointless/

HEY, THUGR: "Fighting for every inch" is NOT a winning strategy. it is a strategy designed to get Ukrainian soldiers killed en masse. When you have air control and the upper hand in longer-range weapons, as Russia does, concentrations of Ukrainian troops and materiel will simply be destroyed. Pouring more men and weaponry into range of Russia's artillery is a losing proposition and a guarantee of defeat. It's tragic and tragically stupid, not heroic.

Ukraine DOES have some areas heavily trenched and isn't above emplacing its weaponry in apartment buildings, schools, hospitals and malls, so that complicates Russian use of artillery and longer-range weapons. But if Ukrainian troops can be drawn out into a kill zone, as has happened in northern Luhansk, the Russians don't mind shelling all week long.

Yeah! FIGHT ON, Ukie troops! /snark








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THG
Sunday, June 19, 2022 8:53 AM




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Sunday, June 19, 2022 10:34 AM

Get fucked Ukraine.

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