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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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THG
Wednesday, March 1, 2023 11:40 PM

Opinions are useless without fact backing them up. This is why comrade signym often chooses not to respond to my posts in the other threads. I post too much truth for her to spin into bullshit.

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Thursday, March 2, 2023 12:21 AM

It’s time to stop giving Ukraine what we think they need and give them what they want

by Retired Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré, opinion contributor - 02/28/23 1:30 PM ET

For years, the Kremlin has been assailing Western democracies with cyber-attacks and sophisticated misinformation campaigns. Ukraine, sitting as it does on Russia’s front step, is now bearing the brunt of Putin’s most aggressive attack on democracy to date, with a ground assault on their territory. The Ukrainian people are most definitely defending their land and themselves from the Russian army, but they’re also defending Western democracy on behalf of us all.

When we send surface-to-air missile batteries to the front or bring Ukrainian soldiers stateside to train on the patriot missile system, we are doing our part to defend democracy against a raging autocrat without breaking the bank or risking American lives. It’s a conservative investment if ever there were one.

The war is not just one between autocracy and democracy, but also between an immoral petro-state and a sustainable climate future for us all. Russia’s power comes from only two things: oil and gas. When we hold the line in Ukraine, sanction Russian fossil fuels and invest in renewables, we are containing the spread of authoritarianism and slowing the rate of climate change.

The ambitions of an autocrat know no bounds. Were Putin to take Ukraine, there is no sign that he would respect its western boundaries any more than he has respected its eastern border. To stop Putin, defend democracy and save our climate, Ukraine must stand — and we, as Americans, must stand with Ukraine.

Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré (Ret.) is the former commander of the U.S. First Army. He now leads The Green Army, a nonprofit dedicated to finding solutions to pollution.

More at https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3877280-its-time-to-stop-giv
ing-ukraine-what-we-think-they-need-and-give-them-what-they-want
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 2, 2023 12:55 AM

Funny how people opposing Putin keep ending up dead:

Vladimir Makei, the former foreign minister of Belarus, expressed his fears that Russia would annex Belarus before his sudden death in November 2022, according to Finland's foreign minister Pekka Haavisto.

Makei, who had held his post since 2012, died "suddenly" at the age of 64 in Minsk, Belarusian state news agency Belta reported on November 26. No cause of death was given.

Haavisto gave an interview with Finnish tabloid newspaper Iltalehti published on Wednesday. He said that he had spoken with Makei after Russian President Vladimir Putin illegally proclaimed to annex four Ukrainian regions on September 30, 2022 — the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.

"He was very worried about whether Belarus would be the fifth [region]," Haavisto said.

He told the news outlet that he told Makei that his view was interesting, because, to outsiders, it appears that Belarus supports Russia "in every way."

While Belarus, a loyal Kremlin ally, hasn't directly joined the Ukraine conflict, Russian troops have been allowed to conduct exercises on Belarusian territory since before the beginning of the war. The country was used by Russia to launch its full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022.

The Finnish foreign minister said sweat was dripping from Makei's forehead and that he said that he never knows who will be next.

Last week, a group of international journalists said they obtained a Russian presidential document from the summer of 2021. It lays out a plan for Russia to absorb Belarus by 2030.

The 17-page document, entitled "Strategic Goals of the Russian Federation in Belarus," details how to push back Western influence in Belarus and how to diminish the country's independence.

By 2030, Russia should have "control of the information space" in Belarus, the document allegedly said.

"Unprecedented political and sanctions pressure from the collective West is pushing Russia and Belarus to speed up the unification process," Putin told a bilateral forum in the Belarusian city of Grodno on January 6.

Makei's mysterious death came two months after Putin's illegal annexation of the four Ukrainian regions.

"Vladimir Makei, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Belarus, has suddenly passed away today," the Foreign Ministry said in a statement at the time. It did not give further details on the circumstances surrounding his death.

Makei had been scheduled to meet with his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov, just two days later. Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said the ministry was "shocked" by reports of his death.

Newsweek has contacted Russia's foreign ministry for comment.

https://www.newsweek.com/belarus-vladimir-makei-annex-fears-russia-dea
th-1784597


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 2, 2023 2:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by THGR: Opinions are useless without fact backing them up.
Yep! And that's exactly why your posts and SECOND's are useless. (Oh, and BTW your "facts" need to be backed up by... what is that word, again? Oh yeah: Evidence[/]. Otherwise your "facts" are just opinion.)

But, yanno, time will tell who is right and who is wrong.
I doubt either of you will be man enough to admit that you're wrong bc you haven't been so far.



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Thursday, March 2, 2023 4:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGR: Opinions are useless without fact backing them up.
Yep! And that's exactly why your posts and SECOND's are useless. (Oh, and BTW your "facts" need to be backed up by... what is that word, again? Oh yeah: Evidence. Otherwise your "facts" are just opinion.)

But, yanno, time will tell who is right and who is wrong.
I doubt either of you will be man enough to admit that you're wrong bc you haven't been so far.


The biggest fact from the past was the answer to "Did Russia interfere with the 2016 election?" The fact is that the answer was Yes, but Signym insisted the answer was No. Trump said "Fake News."

"Did Russia interfere with the 2016 election?"
https://www.google.com/search?q=Did+Russia+interfere+with+the+2016+ele
ction


How did Signym turn a Yes into a No? Signym kept reformulating that question as "Did Russia collude with Trump?" Trump did the same thing. Trump and Signym refused to understand that is a different question.

"Did Russia collude with Trump?"
https://www.google.com/search?q=Did+Russia+collude+with+Trump

At present moment, the new question is "Did Russians invade Ukraine?" If you ask Putin, the answer is "No". Russia is protecting itself. Putin is as ridiculous as Trump in saying the opposite of what is true. According to Putin, there is no Ukraine. The land has always been Russian. How can Russia invade Russia? This is why the formulation is "Special Military Operation" rather than good old-fashion "War".

"There is no Ukraine."
https://www.google.com/search?q=there+is+no+Ukraine

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 2, 2023 8:51 AM

Oh piffle.

Yanno who REALLY influenced the election? Britain's MI6 and ex-intelligence, and the FBI
Seriously, SECOND, out of the hundreds of millions of tweets and hundreds of millions of FB posts about the election, how many can be unambiguously traced to Russia?

You probably don't know. Neither does Mueller. But I bet you'd need a microscope to find that needle in that ginormous haystack.

How stupid do you think we are?

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Thursday, March 2, 2023 5:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh piffle.

Yanno who REALLY influenced the election? Britain's MI6 and ex-intelligence, and the FBI
Seriously, SECOND, out of the hundreds of millions of tweets and hundreds of millions of FB posts about the election, how many can be unambiguously traced to Russia?

You probably don't know. Neither does Mueller. But I bet you'd need a microscope to find that needle in that ginormous haystack.

How stupid do you think we are?

Signym, how about another round of the "You Can't Seriously Blame Russia For That?" game?

Signym, in this next round you will be claiming that the US did NOT spend more than $5,500 billion because of Russia's nuclear arms race.

Go, Signym, Go!

"How much money did the US spend on nuclear weapons?"
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+much+money+did+the+us+spend+on+nuc
lear+weapons


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 2, 2023 5:31 PM

The other nuclear threat you might have missed from Putin’s speech

Easy to miss in Russian President Vladimir Putin’s speech to parliament last week was a glancing reference to the possibility of Russia resuming nuclear testing.

In a surprise move, Putin said that Russia was ready to resume nuclear weapons tests if the US conducted one first.

While most of the media focus has been on Russia suspending its participation in the New START nuclear arms treaty, this announcement was just as significant, with potentially devastating consequences.

It would signify a further step towards escalation in Ukraine by demonstrating Russia’s intent to use nuclear weapons and could begin another, more devastating, nuclear arms race.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/02/opinions/russia-nuclear-test-putin-mess
mer/index.html

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Thursday, March 2, 2023 6:08 PM

Mariupol: The People’s Story | Documentary Trailer | BBC Select

Before the war in Ukraine, Mariupol was a thriving city, home to 430,000 people. In a little under three months, most of its citizens fled Putin's army and thousands were killed. Filmed and told by residents, this is the story of their loss, bravery, determination and incredible daring in escape. They were among those who sought refuge in the Mariupol Theatre, only for it to be bombed, the maternity hospital which was also hit, and the Azovstal steelworks.



https://www.bbcselect.com/watch/mariupol-the-peoples-story/

Download the 1 hour 30 minute show from https://comment.rlsbb.ru/panorama-mariupol-the-peoples-story-2022-1080
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 2, 2023 8:07 PM

"This conflict has already grown into an existential war between Russia and the West. Yes, the West is not participating in this war with their militaries. But they are providing us with weapons so we can use them in the fight. This means a Ukrainian victory over Russia is a common victory. And if Ukraine falls – though unlikely – it's a defeat for all of Western civilization."

- Maj. Gen. Kyrylo Budanov, the chief of the Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2023/03/02/war-top-ukraine-s
py-says-russia-out-of-military-tools/11310628002
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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