Critical Race Theory 'I'm out'
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Signym and 6ix could continue this bitter argument on the telephone. A phone call would be quicker and wouldn't pollute this thread about Critical Race Theory.
Agreed
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Sorry for polluting your thread. If this is going to continue, it will be in the abortions thread.
Again, apologies.
Back to the OT!
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Kyle Rittenhouse wants to ‘sit down’ with Biden over ‘white supremacist’ claim
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Douglas Murray slams left-wing teachers for indoctrination: 'They are failing'
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So I was looking into the whole "critical race theory" topic. And I have to say it's a bunch of bunk. That's because while the majority of blacks can trace a portion of their US heritage to US slave-times (along with doses of white, indigenous, Asian etc), the vast majority of whites can't. People who can trace their lineage back to the Revolutionary Was (eg DAR) are exceedingly rare. People who can trace their lineage back to slave owners are also exceedingly rare.
Most 'whites' in the US have a heritage that's far more recent than slave-times. There have been untold millions on millions of whites who came to the US after slavery was abolished. And the few 'whites' who came to the US before the Civil War didn't benefit from, or own, slaves. For the most part, in whatever era they immigrated to the US, 'white' immigrants were poor, they were discriminated against ("no Irish need apply"), and they were also taken advantage of. They weren't owners or beneficiaries of the slave system.
That's not to say there isn't discrimination in the US. How else can you explain the vast majority of income and wealth persistently going to the same small portion of people over time? Clearly, hard work and creating value aren't always determinants of one's place in the economy. Obviously there's systemic winnowing of opportunity and reward.
Even more, if you look at the number of unemployed, clearly there aren't even enough jobs to go around for everyone. So when there's a surplus of people qualified to economically participate at some level - how do you pick who gets the job? Rational choices can't be made between a surplus of people who are equally capable. So unless you're going to flip a coin, you have to start making irrational choices ... biased choices. And people in power will choose to benefit - their families, their allies, or people who are most like them.
The economy is based on discrimination. It's based on a maintaining a vast majority of people who are dependent on working for someone else for a living, and who will never become independent of wage-slavery.
Well, democratic* politicians know where their bread is buttered, and it ain't with the working stiff or the poor. (Republicans know this as well, along with defunct historical political parties, which is why the system has remained as it's remained for as long as it has.)
As an aside, I read a democratic strategy paper a LONG time ago - maybe 20 years ago - about the democratic* party's new plan. And it was about 'demographics'. (And with the internet, being the internet, I'll probably never find the original again.) The plan was to wait for the old conservatives to die, and the 'white' conservatives to become overwhelmed by the 'other'; and to take advantage of the 'natural' association between the young and the 'other' - and the democratic* party. But it appears the democrats* either jumped the gun before the demographics were ready, or they wanted to hurry the process along. And that's why you got Hillary's platform of pages and pages of singling out every discriminated-against subgroup you could possibly imagine.
Nowhere in the democratic* party was there an appeal to a common identity - like, hey 99.9% of everyone is getting royally screwed, so let's get together and do something about it. (To be complete, the republican party as a whole didn't do that either, they were busy exploiting 'wedge issues'.)
(BTW, I think their 'demographics' tactic is going to fall flat because it's built on a lot of assumptions. We're already seeing problems - conservative Catholic Hispanics from Central and South American don't want to supports gays; politically conservative Catholic Hispanics from Cuba don't want to support 'socialism' OR gays; Hispanics don't want to associate with Backs - and the other way around; while Chinese ha
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Anyway, when it come to cathode-ray-tube (CRT), after digging through links to links, I found no evidence that it's actually in the schools' curricula, not even in Virginia where the issue first arose.
Even the 'proof' that it's being taught doesn't show it in any teaching materials; everything listed is, for example, seminars for administrators and teachers, voluntary recommended reading lists for administrators and teachers, and so forth. There is nothing in any teaching materials for students.
Here's a link to a series of tweets that have often been cited a the smoking gun, that don't contain what peoole think they contain.
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1454470598168510464
What I found MORE troubling was the enactment of a bill in Virginia that teachers need to be evaluated for cultural sensitivity before being accredited ...
Quote:... and a LOT more should have been made of it. If there was ever language that could be subject to misuse and abuse, that is it.
https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title9.1/chapter1/section9.1-102/
c. Sensitivity to and awareness of systemic and individual racism, cultural diversity, and the potential for racially biased policing and bias-based profiling as defined in § 52-30.1, which shall include recognizing implicit biases in interacting with persons who have a mental illness, substance use disorder, or developmental or cognitive disability;
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Don't be stupid.
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/12/22/no_critica
l_race_theory_in_schools_heres_the_abundant_evidence_saying_otherwise_808528.html
“Our curriculum is deeply using critical race theory, especially in social studies, but you'll find it in English language arts and the other disciplines,” Detroit Public Schools Superintendent Nikolai Vitti said at a Nov. 9 board of education meeting. “We were very intentional about creating a curriculum, infusing materials, and embedding critical race theory within our curriculum.”
CRT became a lightning rod in local, state and national politics this year as conservatives and others exposed examples of schools separating students by race and workplaces pressuring employees to apologize for their white privilege and encouraging them to be “less white.” Progressives blamed the controversy over CRT for helping fuel Republican Glenn Youngkin’s upset win in Virginia’s gubernatorial race and observers say it could weigh down Democrat candidates in the 2022 midterms.
Still, it perplexes CRT advocates who believe progressives should be embracing an idea that they equate with the inerrant truth about the pervasiveness of racism in the United States.
“It seems foolish to engage in this subterfuge if CRT principles are part of the curriculum,” said critical race theorist andré douglas pond cummings, a business law professor and co-director of the Center for Racial Justice and Criminal Justice Reform at the University of Arkansas School of Law, who teaches courses on business law, corporate justice and “Hip Hop and the American Constitution.”
“CRT represents a true narrative from the perspective of black and brown citizens,” said cummings, who doesn’t capitalize his name. “It is the way these Americans have experienced this country.”
Jonathan Zimmerman, a professor of the history of education at the University of Pennsylvania, believes it is “educational malpractice” not to teach students about critical race theory at the height of its cultural moment. But Zimmerman thinks it’s perverse to teach it and claim not to.
“I think it’s a defensive posture,” he said of progressives. “They know the Republicans have succeeded in demonizing it and I don’t think they have the confidence and the courage to defend it.”
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So I was looking into the whole "critical race theory" topic. And I have to say it's a bunch of bunk. That's because while the majority of blacks can trace a portion of their US heritage to US slave-times (along with doses of white, indigenous, Asian etc), the vast majority of whites can't. People who can trace their lineage back to the Revolutionary Was (eg DAR) are exceedingly rare. People who can trace their lineage back to slave owners are also exceedingly rare.
Most 'whites' in the US have a heritage that's far more recent than slave-times. There have been untold millions on millions of whites who came to the US after slavery was abolished. And the few 'whites' who came to the US before the Civil War didn't benefit from, or own, slaves. For the most part, in whatever era they immigrated to the US, 'white' immigrants were poor, they were discriminated against ("no Irish need apply"), and they were also taken advantage of. They weren't owners or beneficiaries of the slave system.
I've got one living grandma, and her memory seems pretty foggy on the whole thing. To this day, I don't know if her parents came off the boat or not. She'll talk about how she was always worried that her German last name may have been a relation to a prominent Nazi in WWII (and how she got shit in school for her last name), and she'll talk like they left for America during the war time, but that doesn't jibe with her also saying that her parents were here during the Great Depression.
Her first husband was out of the picture when my old man was a kid and he died of alcoholism 20 years before I was born. I never even met any of his family.
On my mom's side, she has no idea and both of my grandparents are gone. The furthest I ever remember hearing back about them was how they met and how her family disowned her for marrying a poor Polack.
I've got no history. I've got no lineage.
And if somehow there were people in my bloodline who owned slaves hundreds of years ago?
Who gives a shit?
I feel no more guilt for that than I would if my Grandmother's fears were correct and we are decedents of a German monster.
Why does everybody always want to feel so fucking guilty about everything? Don't you have enough things you've done in your life that you own personally that you regret to feel guilty about without shouldering somebody else's burden?
Or maybe that's just it. If you focus on this stuff you don't have to live with your own guilt for the terrible things YOU have done. It's much easier to virtue signal all day on social media about nonsense, rather than face the piece of human trash staring you back in the eyes when you look into a mirror.
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Quote:Maybe your grandma is referring to WWI.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:I've got one living grandma, and her memory seems pretty foggy on the whole thing. To this day, I don't know if her parents came off the boat or not. She'll talk about how she was always worried that her German last name may have been a relation to a prominent Nazi in WWII (and how she got shit in school for her last name), and she'll talk like they left for America during the war time, but that doesn't jibe with her also saying that her parents were here during the Great Depression.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So I was looking into the whole "critical race theory" topic. And I have to say it's a bunch of bunk. That's because while the majority of blacks can trace a portion of their US heritage to US slave-times (along with doses of white, indigenous, Asian etc), the vast majority of whites can't. People who can trace their lineage back to the Revolutionary Was (eg DAR) are exceedingly rare. People who can trace their lineage back to slave owners are also exceedingly rare.
Most 'whites' in the US have a heritage that's far more recent than slave-times. There have been untold millions on millions of whites who came to the US after slavery was abolished. And the few 'whites' who came to the US before the Civil War didn't benefit from, or own, slaves. For the most part, in whatever era they immigrated to the US, 'white' immigrants were poor, they were discriminated against ("no Irish need apply"), and they were also taken advantage of. They weren't owners or beneficiaries of the slave system.
Her first husband was out of the picture when my old man was a kid and he died of alcoholism 20 years before I was born. I never even met any of his family.
On my mom's side, she has no idea and both of my grandparents are gone. The furthest I ever remember hearing back about them was how they met and how her family disowned her for marrying a poor Polack.
I've got no history. I've got no lineage.
And if somehow there were people in my bloodline who owned slaves hundreds of years ago?
Who gives a shit?
I feel no more guilt for that than I would if my Grandmother's fears were correct and we are decedents of a German monster.
Why does everybody always want to feel so fucking guilty about everything? Don't you have enough things you've done in your life that you own personally that you regret to feel guilty about without shouldering somebody else's burden?
Or maybe that's just it. If you focus on this stuff you don't have to live with your own guilt for the terrible things YOU have done. It's much easier to virtue signal all day on social media about nonsense, rather than face the piece of human trash staring you back in the eyes when you look into a mirror.
After the network broadcast of the TV Miniseries "Roots" my Social Studies teacher assigned every student to try to find our family trees.
After the project, I continued with it, until I graduated and went to Boot Camp. I think it was, in outline form, 97 pages single spaced at that point. Only blood relatives, no step relatives, etc.
At that time, the farthest I had been able to go back was to 1604, arriving and founding Jamestown, MA. This line was fairly well known, partly because a President was in the branch. I found no mention of slave owbers in this line - they had seemed to stay in MA, NY, WI, etc. No locations in The South, such as VA (WV, MD, etc.) WI is well known as a Slave Sanctuary state, robustly involved in The Underground Railroad - funneling Slaves to or thru WI. From this line, my nieces are qualified for DAR.
Another nearby branch migrated to America in early 1900s, to escape Kaiser Wilhelm's Germany, which they thought would get Germany into another war. Ancestors had perished in the Russo-Prussian War IIRC. All children in this first g
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Yeah... My grandma's German name was not made off a profession. Of course it's not Hitler, like Second guessed it was, but something adjacent to it.
My Grandpa on my mom's side was 100% Polish. I remember him telling me that when his parents or grandparents whoever got off the boat, they couldn't write and when they said their last name, which had a "ski" as well as a "z" in it, whoever was working the desk took the first syllable of their name and that just became their new name once they got here.
I wish I remembered who he said it was that got off the boat. I want to say it was his parents, but I can't remember.
I get the feeling that except for my grandma on my Mom's side, my family was otherwise pretty "new" to America.
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