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1KIKI

Monday, January 4, 2021 8:22 AM

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Kiki says she doesn’t pay attention to what Trump tweets. This way she doesn’t have to answer for them. Imagine that, she should ignore Biden ... completely then.

Have you seen me whinging about Biden* speeches? No.

Have you seen me respond to ANY of Nancy Pelosi*'s tweets? No.

Have you seen me criticize Hillary* based her track record? YES!

Or evaluate Biden*'s nominees based on their track records? YES!

How about you?

If democrats* don't do any different, how are they any better?

SECOND

Monday, January 4, 2021 8:59 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

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Kiki says she doesn’t pay attention to what Trump tweets. This way she doesn’t have to answer for them. Imagine that, she should ignore Biden ... completely then.

Have you seen me whinging about Biden* speeches? No.

Have you seen me respond to ANY of Nancy Pelosi*'s tweets? No.

Have you seen me criticize Hillary* based her track record? YES!

Or evaluate Biden*'s nominees based on their track records? YES!

How about you?

Have you read the transcript of Trump telling Georgia to change the votes to make Trump the winner? It happened only yesterday:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone
-call-transcript/index.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, January 4, 2021 11:05 AM

Biden* didn't win.

It was stolen.

We just have to deal with the fact that elections don't mean anything in America anymore. Maybe they never did.

The sun will still rise tomorrow. Whatever.

The first draft of anything is shit. :)

SIGNYM

Monday, January 4, 2021 12:19 PM

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6IXSTRINGJACK:

He's the first president this millennium that didn't start new wars with brown people for oil half a world away.

SECOND: Have you seen America's military in action? They are great at killing the wrong people but they lose war after war after war. Even fat stupid Trump knows it. If he'd gone to war, he would have lost, just like America's military has done again and again.

So, are you giving points to Trump for figuring out what seems to have evaded every other President, from Truman forward?

Because in that light, Trump is a friggin' GENIUS compared to all of the other Presidents in the last 70 years.

SECOND Give Trump points for knowing ~~his~~ the military's limitations.... [/quote[ Yep, I do give him points for that.

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Why, since the end of World War II, has the United States either lost every war it started or failed in every military intervention it prosecuted?

Not EVERY one. We did manage to prevail in Panama and Grenada

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Harlan Ullman's new book answers this most disturbing question, a question Americans would never think of even asking because this record of failure has been largely hidden in plain sight or forgotten with the passage of time.

The most straightforward answer is that presidents and administrations have consistently failed to use sound strategic thinking and lacked sufficient knowledge or understanding of the circumstances prior to deciding whether or not to employ force...

I think it's deeper than that. I think Presidents are largely not in control of foreign policy. Look at Trump: He wanted to withdraw troops from the ME and the best he could do was reach a stalemate, with the military overpromising and underlings lying to him about troop strength. He wanted to negotiate with N Korea and was torpedoes by Bolt-on. He wanted to secure our borders but all he managed was a protracted struggle with globalist liberaloids.

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Making this case is an in-depth analysis of the records of presidents from John F. Kennedy

Who was assassinated, some say for vowing to take the CIA apart

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to Barack Obama

Who sacked the entire upper level of generals and who worked hand-in-glove with the CIA black ops and State Department, and who achieved exactly what he wanted to achieve: destabilizing the ME.

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and Donald Trump

who got bogged down by the deep state; implementing his foreign policy turned into an exercise in running thru jello.

Did you know that the military generals were shocked as shit when Reagan, out of the blue, proposed nuclear arms reduction? Betcha dollars to donuts they promied themselves that THAT would never happen again!

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His recommended solutions begin with a "brains-based" approach to sound strategic thinking to address one of the major causes of failure ----the inexperience of too many of the nation's commanders-in-chief.

I think the big problem is that foreign policy is NOT made by the CiC. And what YOU see as "failure" is prolly counted as "success". You think that destablizing the mideast and funding jihadists to run around and make trouble is a "failure"? I think that our "strategic thinkers" just decided to throw a stinkbomb in Russia's direction to keep them busy while we "pivoted" to the far east.

They use our soldiers like cannon fodder, or hostages. It's not about "winning wars", SECOND, and never has been.

Just watch: Biden* will continue to antagonize Russia because there's no downside, but I'll bet he'll cozy up to the Chinese because (1) that's where Big Tech wants to continue to make their $$ (Musk is making electric cars in China and selling them to India) and (2) China wants to stop making cheap shit for Walmart and move up the value-added chain, so they'll shed their chainsaws and mops an

WISHIMAY

Monday, January 4, 2021 2:13 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
and his presumed "racism" that you missed all of the IMPORTANT stuff.

Only a Nazi thinks a Prez being racist ISN'T important.

SigHEIL

Think that's gonna be my nickname for you permanently. Hope you like it, bootkisser.

WISHIMAY

Monday, January 4, 2021 2:17 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Biden* didn't win.

It was stolen.

It's pretty clear just driving around here that the only people who still like Chump are the overflowing racist trash with a yard to match.

The only thing stolen from Chump supporters is a rather large chunk of the frontal lobe

1KIKI

Monday, January 4, 2021 3:19 PM

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Have you read the transcript of Trump telling Georgia to change the votes to make Trump the winner?

Why, yes I did! Have you? Because it seems amazing that you could condense an entire hour-long conversation into a short, misrepresented, out-of-context partial phrase!

What I ALSO did was try to figure out what was plausible, unlike - say - you.

And here's what I got:

Georgia pre-election polls were either running with Trump and Biden at 50/50, or Trump a bit ahead.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-the-presidential-race-stand
s-before-the-last-debate/
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ga/georgia_tru
mp_vs_biden-6974.html

So pre-election Georgia polls were wrong.

The EXIT polls were completely effed up. There are literally pages of results about how wrong the exit polls were. Here are some from my search results about exit polls:

Exit Polls Came Up Short This Year. Here’s Why.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/dont-believe-anything-the-2020-exit
-polls-tell-you/

The problem with exit poll takes, explained
https://www.vox.com/21552679/exit-poll-accuracy

Election 2020: How Accurate Are Exit Polls And Should We Believe Them?
https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2020/11/03/election-2020-how-accurate-a
re-exit-polls-and-should-we-believe-them/

Election 2020 exit polls: Political pundits utterly failed to predict Donald Trump's voters
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/11/07/election-2020-exit-p
olls-trump-minorities-race-women-column/6191966002/

‘Arithmetically impossible’! Pollster explains why the 2020 election is ‘deeply puzzling’ in fact, stat, and math-filled thread
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/11/29/arithmetically-impossible-pol
lster-explains-why-the-2020-election-is-deeply-puzzling-in-fact-stat-and-math-filled-thread/

Why the polls were wrong - and will never be right again
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/why-the-polls-were-wrong-an
d-will-never-be-right-again-20201104-p56bf4.html

And national exit polls were wrong, just like in 2004. (Mitofsky)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election
_in_Georgia

The GEORGIA exit polls had Trump narrowly winning.

And I'm not even going to address the high jinx caught on video tape.

In terms of pre-election polls and exit polls v counts, this is like Mitofsky 2004, déjà vu all over again. And no matter how many times you count the ballots forwards, backwards, and sideways, it won't tell you if something was done with them before you officially tallied them.

Until a neutral. academic. thorough. statistical. investigation is carried out - for example by the CalTech/ MIT voting project - no amount lawsuits and judicial opinion will ever unscramble if 2020 was a legitimate election or not.

SECOND

Monday, January 4, 2021 5:35 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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6IXSTRINGJACK:

He's the first president this millennium that didn't start new wars with brown people for oil half a world away.

SECOND: Have you seen America's military in action? They are great at killing the wrong people but they lose war after war after war. Even fat stupid Trump knows it. If he'd gone to war, he would have lost, just like America's military has done again and again.
So, are you giving points to Trump for figuring out what seems to have evaded every other President, from Truman forward?

Because in that light, Trump is a friggin' GENIUS compared to all of the other Presidents in the last 70 years.

Regarding strategy, we must ask: “Why is it that, given the historical realities of the past seven decades, the United States and its presidents too often did so poorly? Why did they not make better strategic calculations in committing the nation to major military interventions?” Of course, the West won the Cold War. But that war never went hot. The wars that did go hot have plagued us the most. One reason is that in those cases brains and intellect were never fully applied, leading to misjudgments, mistakes, and misperceptions that ultimately created failure. Brains and intellect alone have been insufficient to inform and educate the elected leadership, to inculcate in its members a complete understanding of the grim fiscal realities and the current dangers to the U.S. military of uncontrolled internal cost growth.

Obviously, no sensible person would advocate rejecting the use of brains and intellect, especially not in the tortuous problems affecting vital national security issues. The key question is how best to apply brains and intellect. Too often, other factors have taken precedence: domestic political pressures, appointment of civilian officials to key positions whose success in winning elections was not matched by the ability to govern, ideological convictions, flawed assumptions, narrow bureaucratic or parochial interests, disregard of budget realities, the use of money as an alternative or palliative, normal human frailty, and intellectual laziness. All these have negated or overridden the need for a rigorous, relevant, and above all objective intellectual framework. Such a framework would be a “brains-based approach,” working from a mind-set appropriate for the twenty-first century.

For example, despite the experience of the senior members of George W. Bush’s cabinet, no one seriously asked or answered the “What next?” question about Iraq during the buildup to that war in 2002 and 2003. No one considered what needed to be done once Saddam had been dethroned.

The Obama administration was made to look impotent by drawing “red lines” against Bashar al-Assad’s conduct in Syria and demanding his ouster without the means or a plan to make good on that threat. Regardless of the arguments for or against a strategic pivot to Asia, the manner in which the strategy was announced scared allies and friends and provoked China. In any case, the situation in the Greater Middle East soon deteriorated, and the pivot was eclipsed by the need to “rebalance” forces to that theater.

from Chapter 10 of Anatomy of Failure: Why America Loses Every War It Starts
by Harlan Ullman

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Monday, January 4, 2021 5:37 PM

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SIGNY ... and his presumed "racism" that you missed all of the IMPORTANT stuff.

WISHY: Only a Nazi thinks a Prez being racist ISN'T important.
SigHEIL
Think that's gonna be my nickname for you permanently. Hope you like it, bootkisser.

The important word, WISHY, is "PRESUMED". You PRESUME that Trump's actions are indeed "racist".

Yanno WISHY, you've been wrong about what I think just about every time that you post about it. You're wrong SO OFTEN about what I think that you're probabaly wrong about Trump, too. You see "fascists" and "Nazis" and "Russian trolls" everywhere, especialy where they don't exist.

How about providing a few examples showing that Trump is "racist"?

While you're at it, how about providing a few examples that I'm "Nazi", "Fascist", "Russian troll"?

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, January 4, 2021 6:43 PM

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Biden* didn't win.

It was stolen.

It's pretty clear just driving around here that the only people who still like Chump are the overflowing racist trash with a yard to match.

The only thing stolen from Chump supporters is a rather large chunk of the frontal lobe

Nilbog thinks this is still how you win an argument in 2021.

The first draft of anything is shit. :)

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