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Hey, whatever happened to the riots? ... And foreign policy discussion
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Wednesday, December 30, 2020 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We don't actually have any goals, Sigs.
That's exactly the way the Establishment wants us.
They've got goals. And the details are above any of our pay-grade.
What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)
Well, yes, THEY have goals: to steal as much money and power as possible from across the globe, and pit people against each other.
Are those goals, or are they just means?
What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)
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Wednesday, December 30, 2020 10:46 PM
Quote:Have you ever seen a book or paper from either State or Defense Dept. that defined America's foreign policy goals in a way that could possibly succeed? There hasn't been one before or after WWII. The Second World War was a fluke because it was run by people who actually had clear goals that could be successfully completed. But the switch of Presidents from FDR to Truman, that moron Vice President from Missouri who wasn't trustworthy enough to know about the top secret Manhattan Project, caused the War to end badly by nuking women and children. Ever since we have been stupidly thinking that nukes won the War and thousands of nukes are keeping us safe today. Neither idea about nukes is true.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
War is a poor tool for generating freedom. It's not impossible, but you MUST have a clear enemy who is an oppressor, and that oppressor must not have the general support of the population.
The Vietnamese originally were trying to free themselves from French colonial power.
Naturally, we came in on the side of the French.
From there, it all went downhill because we did not define our goals.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Wednesday, December 30, 2020 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Have you ever seen a book or paper from either State or Defense Dept. that defined America's foreign policy goals in a way that could possibly succeed? There hasn't been one before or after WWII. The Second World War was a fluke because it was run by people who actually had clear goals that could be successfully completed. But the switch of Presidents from FDR to Truman, that moron Vice President from Missouri who wasn't trustworthy enough to know about the top secret Manhattan Project, caused the War to end badly by nuking women and children. Ever since we have been stupidly thinking that nukes won the War and thousands of nukes are keeping us safe today. Neither idea about nukes is true.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
War is a poor tool for generating freedom. It's not impossible, but you MUST have a clear enemy who is an oppressor, and that oppressor must not have the general support of the population.
The Vietnamese originally were trying to free themselves from French colonial power.
Naturally, we came in on the side of the French.
From there, it all went downhill because we did not define our goals.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Like I posted already, SECOND, which you have not addressed: We seem to leave the targets of our "interventions" in such dire straits - smoking ruins crawling with jihadists, or failed states led by corrupt leaders - that I believe that we REALLY DO HAVE GOALS. Just not the goals that you would like to contemplate.
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Wednesday, December 30, 2020 11:07 PM
Quote:I've been to war and seen how military officers, when they are far away from America, think. The officers have clear, precise and very simple goals even when the White House and Pentagon does not. The officers protect their own lives and their men and never seriously worry about killing the wrong people. And so America gets the godawful results that would be expected when turning America's real foreign policy over to low level officers.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Like I posted already, SECOND, which you have not addressed: We seem to leave the targets of our "interventions" in such dire straits - smoking ruins crawling with jihadists, or failed states led by corrupt leaders - that I believe that we REALLY DO HAVE GOALS. Just not the goals that you would like to contemplate.
One example would be nice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_and_assassination_of_Ngo_Dinh_Die
m#US_reaction
Arrest and assassination of Ngo Dinh Diem
Kennedy wasn't thinking clearly, but local Vietnamese officers filled in the details left unspecified by the White House.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Wednesday, December 30, 2020 11:26 PM
You give our politicians and military leaders far too much credit by excusing our failed "interventions" as "mistakes" by unguided field officers.
Who deployed those troops in the first place? It wasn't the lieutenants and captains stuck in the fog of war. It was the Commander in Chief, President of the USA, and a gutless Congress willing to let the CIC launch wars without authorization, and willing to continue funding them even when they've gone tits up.
Why don't we see this for what it is? A deliberate policy of screwing other nations over.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Wednesday, December 30, 2020 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Why don't we see this for what it is? A deliberate policy of screwing other nations over.
My guess would be a deliberate policy of screwing us over via screwing other nations over.
Invade, disrupt, spread chaos. Those peoples eager, willing and intelligent enough to just go to work and slave away making crap we don't need on the cheap for pennies on the dollar fostering an ever growing resentment for us all the while. Multi-National Legacy Media ripping our country to shreds in the eyes of foreign people as well as a large portion of people who live here and take it for granted, but at the same time doing whatever they can to make sure that we never stop the imperialism by calling the pulling of troops out of foreign nations unpatriotic and using their collective power to make sure that the only president in this century that didn't start a new war only served one term.
Our tax dollars pay for this behavior, which means in the end on some level each and every one of us are culpable, no matter how we vote in any election.
What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)
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Wednesday, December 30, 2020 11:58 PM
Quote:Again, I point you to the free book "The Best and the Brightest"
Originally posted by SignyM:
You give our politicians and military leaders far too much credit by excusing our failed "interventions" as "mistakes" by unguided field officers.
Who deployed those troops in the first place? It wasn't the lieutenants and captains stuck in the fog of war. It was the Commander in Chief, President of the USA, and a gutless Congress willing to let the CIC launch wars without authorization, and willing to continue funding them even when they've gone tits up.
Why don't we see this for what it is? A deliberate policy of screwing other nations over.
https://libgen.unblockit.dev/search.php?req=Halberstam+best+and+bright
est
The White House has never had people in charge, except during FDR's administration, that should be allowed in charge of anything complicated, especially not this country or any other such as Iraq or Vietnam. That these White House people make bad decisions, or let things drift, should be expected. And when things do drift, the people at the lowest level make the decisions that should properly be made at the highest levels. One example from Obama's administration: he should have made it crystal clear that he either wanted Osama bin Laden alive or dead. Pick one and only one. Instead, Obama left the decision to some goddamn butthead SEAL with a 90% certainty bin Laden would be killed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Objective
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Thursday, December 31, 2020 12:13 AM
Quote:So you blame the WH. Good. That is where the blame belongs. Also, don't forget Osama's... I mean, Obama's... secret drone wars, "color revolutions" and "regime change" operations in Ukraine, Syria, Libya, and Egypt (which failed).
Originally posted by second:Quote:Again, I point you to the free book "The Best and the Brightest"
Originally posted by SignyM:
You give our politicians and military leaders far too much credit by excusing our failed "interventions" as "mistakes" by unguided field officers.
Who deployed those troops in the first place? It wasn't the lieutenants and captains stuck in the fog of war. It was the Commander in Chief, President of the USA, and a gutless Congress willing to let the CIC launch wars without authorization, and willing to continue funding them even when they've gone tits up.
Why don't we see this for what it is? A deliberate policy of screwing other nations over.
https://libgen.unblockit.dev/search.php?req=Halberstam+best+and+bright
est
The White House has never had people in charge, except during FDR's administration, that should be allowed in charge of anything complicated, especially not this country or any other such as Iraq or Vietnam. That these White House people make bad decisions, or let things drift, should be expected. And when things do drift, the people at the lowest level make the decisions that should properly be made at the highest levels. One example from Obama's administration: he should have made it crystal clear that he either wanted Osama bin Laden alive or dead. Pick one and only one. Instead, Obama left the decision to some goddamn butthead SEAL with a 90% certainty bin Laden would be killed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Objective
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
So, why izzit that the ONLY President NOT to start another war was attempted to be driven from office by bogus charges of "collusion"? And that was with the help of the FBI, CIA, MI6, State Department, establishment Congressional Republicans as well as Democrats, and a complicit media and corporate social media?
Why were his attempts to withdraw troops constantly blocked?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Thursday, December 31, 2020 12:42 AM
Quote:The last question is easy to answer. The Senators and Representatives from all 50 states want their state to continue receiving Defense Dept. money. But if there are no or few wars, the money slows until it is being spent at the same low levels as France or Japan or China. Although they love the money from war, few of these wimpy Congressmen want to take responsibility for deciding when or where to go to war. That is why there have been no declarations of war since 1942.
Originally posted by SignyM:
So you blame the WH. Good. That is where the blame belongs. Also, don't forget Osama's... I mean, Obama's... secret drone wars, "color revolutions" and "regime change" operations in Ukraine, Syria, Libya, and Egypt (which failed).
So, why izzit that the ONLY President NOT to start another war was attempted to be driven from office by bogus charges of "collusion"? And that was with the help of the FBI, CIA, MI6, State Department, establishment Congressional Republicans as well as Democrats, and a complicit media and corporate social media?
Why were his attempts to withdraw troops constantly blocked?
As for bogus charges of "collusion", there were not any, except in Trump's fat dumb head. What was being investigated was Russian interference in elections. Trump never understood it wasn't about him until he made it all about himself by insisting Russia did nothing and Trump would be a braying jackass to stop enquiry into Russia.
American policy is made by people too articulate and too stupid to stop talking and stop planning coup d'états that fail because the American planners are stupid. See the last 60 years of policy toward Cuba if you want to see American stupidity in action.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Thursday, December 31, 2020 1:10 AM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I don't think it's our responsibility to fight everyone, everywhere. And it's not in our best interest, even in the long run. It's bad for us to be spending blood and money on foreign soil when we are neglecting our own nation.
It's a good damn thing you ain't in charge, kemosabe.
You do realize that I don't read 99% of the shit you post, right? I've said that a dozen times now. You just wasted an hour talking to yourself.
We all know your agenda is to get America to give up and roll over and play dead.
Whatever you post, I'm against. That's for life, baby
Traitors get haters
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