Covington 2: George Floyd Boogaloo
POSTED BY: 6IXSTRINGJACK
UPDATED: Monday, May 27, 2024 20:23
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This wasn't racism, and it certainly wasn't murder.
If you... as a civilian... knelt on a person for 10 minutes who then died, you would be charged with assault and manslaughter.
Being high ALSO ISN'T PUNISHABLE BY DEATH, lucky for you! Recent studies show Covid causes mental diseases to worsen or appear. Let's hope you don't get it so your other brain cell doesn't die off.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Floyd was in cuffs. And btw his struggling could have been due to the fact he was suffocating from heart failure and struggling to breathe.
Believe me, due to my stints in various hospitals but especially a very large county hospital I've seen big burly dudes on PCP safely restrained and brought in, by EMTs no less, not police. And Floyd was nothing even remotely like that. (That's something I'm sure you haven't seen.)
Once a person is in cuffs the situation is under far greater control and the person shouldn't be subjected to tasers, dog-piling, neck restraints, or prone positioning.
ETA: once cuffs are on in terms of getting out of restraints there's only 3 options I know of - break the cuffs (my since-retired cop friend tells me that's not likely), break your bones (I haven't seen it but I'm sure it's happened with strong people on PCP), or slip your cuffs for example by bringing your hands down and forward and squeezing your butt and legs through (a few very flexible small people have managed that).
Thanks for bringing that up.
Now imagine a DIFFERENT response ... say, you're an EMT and responding to the situation as a medical emergency.
How would YOU have handled it?
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Well, first of all, EMTs and paramedics are taught to keep personal safety first. You can't help someone if you're injured or dead, and you also become another victim and a load on the situation.
When coming up to the situation, generally the medics approach without lights and sirens.
In the interest of safety, the first thing is to look for weapons. If the person has a weapon you might try to convince them to give it up, but if you can't after a reasonable amount of time, or if the person is either psychotic or seems to have drug-induced agitation and seems unstable as to whether or not they'll use it, you do offload the problem onto police.
At the scene, medics tend to be non-confrontational. You try to elicit the person's cooperation. Hey look man, we're just here to help. Let us take a look at you and see what's wrong ... maybe get you some help. And the fact that there's no police car waiting to haul them away helps defuse the situation as well. They tend not to see an enemy. You explain what you're going to do, and why, and keep explaining as you go.
Medics are allowed to use physical and chemical restraints for medical reasons according to their written protocols. Once you've gained cooperation you can restrain the person to keep them and you safe.
The problem is that the police didn't see when an attempted arrest became a medical issue. If they'd been called for agitated behavior or intoxication, they might possibly have been more willing to turn it over to medics. But it segued from an arrest for trying to pass a phony 20 to dealing with a recalcitrant to dealing with someone on drugs to heart failure. They missed the exit ramp.
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A day and a half passes before half-brain and the split-brain chimed in.
Did they need the Legacy Media to give them their opinion before they could post it?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I think Floyd was ALREADY a medical situation when the police showed up. Paranoia is a symptom of Covid-19, which does affect the CNS.
The problem with police is that they're trained to deal with criminals who are more-or-ess fully functional, and the way they deal with that is to break resistance by shouting and threats.
But the police are often called to deal with people who are high, or psychotic, or having neurological or health issues or - in Floyd's case- all of the above, and shouted threats really don't help the person understand better.
I've seen a video- I can't remember where it was filmed, but it was an encounter with a man in a hotel hallway. The police were shouting multiple instructions and threats which -given the sound quality and my poor hearing, I'm not sure I would have understood But given that the police were shouting "Put your hands on the floor!" and "Put your hands up!" the victim was obviously confused and probably very drunk, but he was doing his best to comply with what he thought they were telling him to do. unfortunately the police saw resistance and danger instead of confusion and disabiity and it ended in blood and death. The victim, BTW. was white.
Now, the one good thing that the police did with Floyd is that they weren't shouting, and they were very clear what they wanted him to do, repeating it over and over. But given his reaction, I might have stepped back and said... "hey man, we're going to call the ambulance for you, just chill for a while, nothing's gonna happen."
The article that I quoted said "Couldn't we just supply the police with tranqilizer darts?" and I kinda wonder ... why not? Isn't that better than rubber bullets, neck restraints, handcuffs and tasers?
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Quote:Floyd’s case isn’t about his resisting arrest; it’s about what happened after the cops got him under control.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
A day and a half passes before half-brain and the split-brain chimed in.
Did they need the Legacy Media to give them their opinion before they could post it?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
This week, the Daily Mail managed to get its hands on some previously unreleased body-camera footage of George Floyd’s arrest. Some found that it changed their perception of the incident. Most notably, my former American Conservative colleague Rod Dreher wrote a lightning-rod blog post in which he contended that “George Floyd is dead today almost entirely because of George Floyd.”
The video does clarify some things, especially the precise degree to which Floyd resisted arrest. But I would urge anyone whose mind changed dramatically upon watching it to ask themselves: Why does it surprise you that Floyd resisted arrest? And why does it change your view of how the cops behaved in a completely different part of the encounter?
In reality, nothing in the video is all that unexpected, and nothing in it changes the fact that law-enforcement officers kept a handcuffed, obviously unwell man face down, with a knee on his neck, for about eight minutes, including two minutes after they failed to find a pulse. The second-degree-murder charge against Derek Chauvin is likely a stretch, as Andy McCarthy detailed back in June, but the other options available to the jury — third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter — remain entirely plausible.
The bottom line, I think, is that it’s going to be hard to acquit someone who knelt on a subdued suspect until the suspect apparently lost his pulse, and then kept kneeling for a little while longer. But the key questions hinge on the eight minutes we already knew about, not the eight additional minutes the Daily Mail uncovered.
More at www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/the-new-george-floyd-video-should-not-s
urprise-you/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Actually, the footage shows a lot that was unexpected because of how the Legacy Media portrayed it.
They've even duped me twice now. When the Covington incident happened, I said the kid looked like he was seething with hate under that smile. When the Floyd incident happened, I said that these were murderous cops.
It's not too hard to make people believe these things since we live in a world where racism still exists and where there are bad (sometimes bad and racist) cops. Take footage out of context and refuse to show any new footage that destroys the narrative that you painted originally and there you go.
The new video footage shows that racism wasn't at play here. At least it wasn't obvious if it was. These weren't some good 'ole boys straight out of Blazing Saddles. Half of the cops on the scene weren't even white.
And about that 8 or so minutes... Where is that footage? Where are the 8 minutes of footage where a guy had somebody on the ground while kneeling on their neck for 8 minutes before they stopped moving?
And about that "I can't breathe" shit... He wasn't choked. Ask anybody who's been choked before what it feels like. Ask them if they'd be able to say "I can't breathe" loud enough to be picked up on cell phone cameras across the street.
I assure you that you can't. Vocal cords don't work by telepathy.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I know, how 'bout we put a 150 lb weight on the back of your neck for 10 minutes while recovering from the flu and see just how hard it is for you to keep breathing.
Dumbass
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Quote:May be stupid, but NOT RACIST.
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
I know, how 'bout we put a 150 lb weight on the back of your neck for 10 minutes while recovering from the flu and see just how hard it is for your to keep breathing.
Dumbass
I agree with SIX on that.
The problem is, the police reacted LIKE POLICE: they tried to impose their authority when the situation was a medical one, which they didn't recognize.
We expect cops to deal with assholes and criminals all the time. And there ARE really bad people out there; gangbangers like where our housekeeper lived who kidnapped her husband and made him take money out of the ATM at regular intervals, kidnapped her grandmother and stole her purse, and threatened her two daughters with rape. (This family was targeted bc one of the gang members wanted to live where THEY lived, and were trying to drive them out.) It was scary stuff.
But then when they run into someone who's high, or crazy, or sick, or all of the above, we expect them to take off their police hats and put on their EMT hats and get all empathetic. It's not possible; at least, not for a lot of people.
The police need to have an "out": someone who they can call to deal with the crazy, drunk, sick, high people. Like I said: maybe with a tranquilizer dart.
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Quote:American police kill 3 times more often than police in any other country. That needs a better explanation than you are giving.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
May be stupid, but NOT RACIST.
I agree with SIX on that.
The problem is, the police reacted LIKE POLICE: they tried to impose their authority when the situation was a medical one, which they didn't recognize.
We expect cops to deal with assholes and criminals all the time. And there ARE really bad people out there; gangbangers like where our housekeeper lived who kidnapped her husband and made him take money out of the ATM at regular intervals, kidnapped her grandmother and stole her purse, and threatened her two daughters with rape. (This family was targeted bc one of the gang members wanted to live where THEY lived, and were trying to drive them out.) It was scary stuff.
But then when they run into someone who's high, or crazy, or sick, or all of the above, we expect them to take off their police hats and put on their EMT hats and get all empathetic. It's not possible; at least, not for a lot of people.
The police need to have an "out": someone who they can call to deal with the crazy, drunk, sick, high people. Like I said: maybe with a tranquilizer dart.
www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
It may never be racism why American police kill, but some killings make news:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Joe_Campos_Torres
The police were convicted of negligent homicide and received one year of probation and a $1 fine.
Why are George Floyd protests different? Before Floyd's killing, the highest estimate for any American protest -- the 2017 Women's March -- was 4.6 million. Polls indicate that, as of mid-June, as many as 21 million adults had attended a Black Lives Matter or police brutality protest.
www.cnn.com/2020/08/09/us/george-floyd-protests-different-why/index.ht
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