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After this city dissolved its police department, crime fell by almost half
The city, home to a population about 17% of Minneapolis' size, dissolved its police department in 2012 and replaced it with an entirely new one after corruption rendered the existing agency unfixable.
Before its police reforms, Camden was routinely named one of the most violent cities in the US.
Now, seven years after the old department was booted (though around 100 officers were rehired), the city's crime has dropped by close to half. Officers host outdoor parties for residents and knock on doors to introduce themselves. It's a radically different Camden than it was even a decade ago. Here's how they did it.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/09/us/disband-police-camden-new-jersey
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by THG:
I get what you're saying G but defunding the police is being portrayed as though it means closing the police department. It doesn't. I heading to work so this will be a less than adequate response, but think of making a 911 call. If you need a fireman they send one. If you need an ambulance they send one. Now think about other underfunded services being funded better so If you need them calling 911 will get you that assistance. Sorry, but as I said I am rushed by my need to get to work.
Few thoughts:
I understand that a lot of "police reforms" in the past have not worked, hence this bigger, bolder approach. I understand that defunding doesn't necessarily mean closing. I also understand that emotions are extremely high (as they should be). The New Jersey example is on a much smaller scale but it seems to have worked. Camden was on what was called the Heroin Highway and bad cops on the take were a big part of the problem. So yes, when something is that bad blow it up and start again.
I think Kiki's suggestion is a really good one: if communities don't want policing, let them try it and see if they feel the same way after a year.
I seriously wonder if we can design even a new police force that will work for white AND black communities - especially now.
Nothing would make me happier than a police force that Black Americans / All Americans thought was fair and just. I feel like we've only gone backwards on that one.
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Over the past 50 years, American police have become ever more aggressive. For every bullet the German police fired on duty in 2016, American police killed 10 people. Even overwhelmingly white states like Wyoming and Montana imprison citizens at higher rates than authoritarian Cuba.
To understand what’s wrong with the American criminal justice system, follow the money. What matters even more than black and white is green. Fixing our criminal justice system means fixing the incentives.
Here are just six ways we can alter the financial incentives; there are other options as well, but the logic of these is relatively easy to see.
• Remove laws immunizing police from civil and criminal penalties.
• Enable citizens to sue police for excessive or inappropriate violence; pay resulting judgments from police pension funds or salary pools, rather than general taxes.
• Make police salary raise pools dependent upon measured community satisfaction.
• Repeal civil asset forfeiture laws.
• Disband SWAT teams in any town smaller than 100,000 people.
• Don’t allow towns to keep revenue from tickets and fines; instead place that revenue in victim restitution funds.
If we change the incentives, we change behavior.
More at www.marketwatch.com/story/financial-incentives-have-given-us-ever-more
-aggressive-policing-if-we-want-real-change-we-must-change-those-incentives-2020-06-10
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
I get what you're saying G but defunding the police is being portrayed as though it means closing the police department. It doesn't. I heading to work so this will be a less than adequate response, but think of making a 911 call. If you need a fireman they send one. If you need an ambulance they send one. Now think about other underfunded services being funded better so If you need them calling 911 will get you that assistance. Sorry, but as I said I am rushed by my need to get to work.
Few thoughts:
I understand that a lot of "police reforms" in the past have not worked, hence this bigger, bolder approach. I understand that defunding doesn't necessarily mean closing. I also understand that emotions are extremely high (as they should be). The New Jersey example is on a much smaller scale but it seems to have worked. Camden was on what was called the Heroin Highway and bad cops on the take were a big part of the problem. So yes, when something is that bad blow it up and start again.
I think Kiki's suggestion is a really good one: if communities don't want policing, let them try it and see if they feel the same way after a year.
I seriously wonder if we can design even a new police force that will work for white AND black communities - especially now.
Nothing would make me happier than a police force that Black Americans / All Americans thought was fair and just. I feel like we've only gone backwards on that one.
Sorry, I don't think so. Disbanding the police without properly funding programs improving conditions within the black community, will only lead to lawless streets. Comrade kiki's an ass.
One thing we can start doing right off the bat G, is realize only 5% of police encounters are for violent offenses. That means 95% are not. George Floyd was not. Using peaceful means rather than force, like making an arrest, can be replaced by giving out a summons. Police can make less arrests. Act in a nonaggressive manor towards a nonaggressive suspect.
We could enforce whistleblower laws protecting officers who file complaints against fellow officers. What's being discussed regarding this topic in these threads is so far off the mark it's humorous. What is not humorous is how many people don't realize they are spewing nonsense. Nothing new for these threads.
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Maybe listen to a black guy and stop using your White Privilege to decide what's best for black communities.
lol
Nice corner y'all painted yourselves into there.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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So, WTF is "wrong" with the Seattle Police? They have extremely progressive policies on drugs and homelessness, and AFAIK they don't go around killing restrained civilians or running drugs.
Quote:MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/political/seattle-protesters-establish-auton
Seattle Protesters Storm City Hall After Running Cops Out Of Precinct, Establishing "Autonomous Zone"
Update (1140ET): Protesters broke into Seattle City Hall Tuesday night to demand the resignation of Mayor Jenny Durkan.
Antifa and BLM have broken into Seattle city hall Despite their mayor @MayorJenny being beyond progressive. They are demanding she resign since she won’t defund the Police. This is the new normal in big cities of America
pic.twitter.com/iHv4uBi0vW
— ELIJAH (@ElijahSchaffer) June 10, 2020
The protesters were aided by Seattle Councilwoman Kshama Sawant, who was seen alongside the protesters inside City Hall, according to Fox News.
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One of the tactics of color revolutions is to take a legitimate grievance and then escalate it to impossible demands.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#WEARAMASK
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So, WTF is "wrong" with the Seattle Police? They have extremely progressive policies on drugs and homelessness, and AFAIK they don't go around killing restrained civilians or running drugs.
Quote:MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/political/seattle-protesters-establish-auton
Seattle Protesters Storm City Hall After Running Cops Out Of Precinct, Establishing "Autonomous Zone"
Update (1140ET): Protesters broke into Seattle City Hall Tuesday night to demand the resignation of Mayor Jenny Durkan.
Antifa and BLM have broken into Seattle city hall Despite their mayor @MayorJenny being beyond progressive. They are demanding she resign since she won’t defund the Police. This is the new normal in big cities of America
pic.twitter.com/iHv4uBi0vW
— ELIJAH (@ElijahSchaffer) June 10, 2020
The protesters were aided by Seattle Councilwoman Kshama Sawant, who was seen alongside the protesters inside City Hall, according to Fox News.
After protesting inside for over an hour, the group left City Hall, chanting "Defund SPD" as they left.
And after over an hour inside City Hall, protesters are headed out and chanting “Defund SPD” as they leave. #seattleprotest pic.twitter.com/jE6eXkm905
— Jake Goldstein-Street (@GoldsteinStreet) June 10, 2020
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What began as an attempt by Seattle Police to ease tensions after a week of protests by retreating from the Capitol Hill neighborhood has resulted in the establishment of the so-called "Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone" - a six-block section of town which Antifa and other activists have occupied, setting up barricades and claiming the area near the Seattle PD East Precinct as theirs.
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Autonomous zones are called "no go" zones in the UK and France, and they're extremely dangerous places.
One of the tactics of color revolutions is to take a legitimate grievance and then escalate it to impossible demands.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#WEARAMASK
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In Chicago, recorded conversation between Mayor Lightfoot and Alderman Raymond Lopez as he demands answers to what will happen if violence escalates
Also a verbal altercation between far-left black profressor Cornell West and black civil rights attorney Leo Terrell.
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I agree with West that the fundamental problem is lack of jobs. I DON'T think that the poverty problem will be solved by defunding the police, nor do I think that you can solve the poverty problem by "giving people momey". I DON'T think you can solve the poverty problem by giving big banks and big business more concessions and more power, because they caused the problem in the first place. Look at what happened under Obama's giveaway to the banks: Black business and home-ownership fell to the lowest it has been in DECADES.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#WEARAMASK
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Why Does LA Spend Twice as Much on Policing as San Diego?
How much scope is there for cutting spending on police? Just to give you an idea, here’s the variation in spending among big California cities:
In Los Angeles, residents pay an average of $750 per year for police protection. In Fresno, which has about the same violent crime rate, they pay only $450 each. In San Diego, with a modestly lower violent crime rate, they pay about $300 each.
That’s a huge range, and obviously there’s more to the picture than just the crime rate. Nonetheless, it does give at least a hint that there’s a considerable scope for reductions in some of our highest spending cities.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/06/why-does-la-spend-twice-as-much
-on-policing-as-san-diego/
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