Some Covid-19 thoughts
POSTED BY: captaincrunch
UPDATED: Monday, September 29, 2025 18:59
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That's pretty much what I posted to MD, that Omicron could be a blessing in disguise - essentially nature's vaccine (like cowpox was to smallpox).
I've been kind of harping about what **I** think would be the ideal sequence of vaccine types for developing good immunity, starting with artificially synthesized, pure, non-infectious pieces as injections and working your way to killed or attenuated total whatever - virus, bacteria, fungus - as mucus-exposed surfaces.
The fact that SARS-CoV-2 spike protein doesn't cross-react with the 'common cold(s)' but that its internal proteins do just indicates to me the spike protein has been messed with (gain of function).
One thing this video kind of glides over is how recently your common cold has to have been, probably a maximum of 18 months, to have any good effect. That's one of the things about coronavirus colds (specifically, distinct from rhinovirus colds, etc), is that immunity is short-lived. That's one of the reasons why there's no vaccine for 'the common cold'. I'm not sure how he squares the short-lived immunity against colds, even with T-cell immunity to nuclear envelope protein, with his hope for long-term immunity against SARS-CoV-2. Why does he think the SARS-CoV-2 immunity to that protein would be any longer lived?
And finally, while he may think natural immunity is superior, for many people - closing on a million in the US - the trip to getting natural immunity was a fatal one.
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I hadn't realized that immunity to the "common cold" was that short-lived. I assumed that the only reasons why there was no "common cold" vaccine was bc a) the virus mutated so rapdily and b) the illness was so inconsequential as to make it not worthwhile.
So unless everyone gets Omicron in an 18-month period and there is no more reservoir of SARS-Cov2 anywhere in the world, we may be in for a fifth, sixth, etc wave two years in the future?
Awesome ....
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It's hard to say. Other SARS and MERS seem to have good immunity that can last years and years, maybe decades. And SARS and coronavirus colds aren't the same kind of virus, just ones in the same general family that can cross-react. (Maybe their immunogenic relationship is equivalent to the differences between humans, gorillas, chimps and so on.) So the immunity characteristics of the common cold aren't directly translatable to SARS-CoV-2, imo.
Maybe what he's saying is that the nuclear envelope protein might be a good candidate as either a stand-alone vaccine or as an addition to it. And he's saying that because that protein from the common cold cross-reacts with that protein from SARS-CoV-2 and provides some protection. (Though he did glide past the fact that immunity to the common cold doesn't last very long despite immunity to the envelope.)
FWIW I'd prefer to get at least some of my vaccine immunity as immunity to the spike protein, because it's a 'neutralizing' antibody. (A 'neutralizing' antibody disables the virus such that it doesn't enter cells.) I personally would prefer the nuclear envelope protein component as an addition to a spike vaccine, not instead of it.
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I've had covid 3 times. Nov 2019, Christmas 2020, Sept 2021.
Since the first time in Nov 2019, I have not had a cold or flu. I used to get one every year, mostly twice, once in spring and once in fall, dependent upon when the weather changed.
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Well... I just found out that my brother and his wife sold my niece out and forced her to take the jab last week so they wouldn't be inconvenienced and not be able to go on an upcoming cruise that requires them.
She developed Covid two days ago, after the vax, and gave it to my brother and his wife, both of whom have plenty of reasons not to want to have covid because of their lifestyle choices.
Hope the cruise was worth it. I hope they at least get to go on a cruise again.
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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
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Quote:Did you test positive, or are you just assuming you had Covid?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I've had covid 3 times. Nov 2019, Christmas 2020, Sept 2021.
Since the first time in Nov 2019, I have not had a cold or flu. I used to get one every year, mostly twice, once in spring and once in fall, dependent upon when the weather changed.
BEFORE this whole thing started, the entire family got incredibly sick with something that was incredibly infectious. It might have been Covid, or it might not have been. Not assuming either way.
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Quote:in Nov 2019, test positive how?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Did you test positive, or are you just assuming you had Covid?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I've had covid 3 times. Nov 2019, Christmas 2020, Sept 2021.
Since the first time in Nov 2019, I have not had a cold or flu. I used to get one every year, mostly twice, once in spring and once in fall, dependent upon when the weather changed.
BEFORE this whole thing started, the entire family got incredibly sick with something that was incredibly infectious. It might have been Covid, or it might not have been. Not assuming either way.
In Christmas 2020, no. Following Company Christmas Dinner, all but 2 attendees got covid, and got tested. And they all blamed me as the source. None of them had a doubt I had it.
Sept 2021, no. I was able to recognize it by then, didn't feel need to provide gov paper trail.
At this point, I assume I would not notice the next time, getting more mild each time.
I have no doubt that Sigs and Kiki will now proclAim I have never had covid.
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The re-unification rate is about 1pct. In other words, of 100 people who've had Covid, 1 may get reinfected later. To have that happen twice might mean that your immune system isn't working as well as most.
But that also puts a ding in the reputation of "natural immunity" and "herd immunity" being the answer to the pandemic.
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Quote:I still don't understand your dismissal of the virus, and your fear of a vaccine that represents literally a fraction of the whole virus.
]Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well... I just found out that my brother and his wife sold my niece out and forced her to take the jab last week so they wouldn't be inconvenienced and not be able to go on an upcoming cruise that requires them.
She developed Covid two days ago, after the vax, and gave it to my brother and his wife, both of whom have plenty of reasons not to want to have covid because of their lifestyle choices.
Hope the cruise was worth it. I hope they at least get to go on a cruise again.
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The good news is, if your brother and sister in law were vaccinated at least three weeks ago, then they are unlikely to get very ill. And if they caught Omicron, then the risk of serious illness is virtually non-existent.
Altho I'm sure you're convinced your niece's ears and nose will fall off some time in the future, or some such.
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Quote:I didn't see mention that bro and wife were vaxxed. Although that might be implied.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I still don't understand your dismissal of the virus, and your fear of a vaccine that represents literally a fraction of the whole virus.
]Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well... I just found out that my brother and his wife sold my niece out and forced her to take the jab last week so they wouldn't be inconvenienced and not be able to go on an upcoming cruise that requires them.
She developed Covid two days ago, after the vax, and gave it to my brother and his wife, both of whom have plenty of reasons not to want to have covid because of their lifestyle choices.
Hope the cruise was worth it. I hope they at least get to go on a cruise again.
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The good news is, if your brother and sister in law were vaccinated at least three weeks ago, then they are unlikely to get very ill. And if they caught Omicron, then the risk of serious illness is virtually non-existent.
Altho I'm sure you're convinced your niece's ears and nose will fall off some time in the future, or some such.
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