new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
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Quote:Well, they indicated that they have video. So if they say aerosol, I'd think they're the ones in the best position to determine that.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The spreader was sick when he got on. If he touched the headrest/handbar on his 2nd or 3rd step (regain balance - and folk with ear/nose/throat issues can be off-balance), that is reasonable. If a 2nd-row passenger got on after him, got back on after him (after toileting), they could have touched the same spot after he did. Or have been sitting in the seat where he touched the headrest/handbar.
With many folk of the same community perhaps being similar size and stride, touching the same one spot is not all that unusual.
I'd go along with the concept of aerosol, but I'd be reticent to bet the farm on the assumption.
That sampling of rooms of infected patients had only 2 spot tested which were not positive, and they were both in the bathroom. The air samples were all nada. The toilet BOWL was positive. I just get the sense that shared surface contact is much more prevalent as cause than many folk are realizing.
Also, I am not in Wuhan. I am not in WA. I am not withing 120 miles of a known case. I could even be in Russia, sitting next to you. I was just positing an observation. I encourage learned individuals to ignore my input on this matter.
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FWIW, I did go to the local hardware store today to pick up some things, and I was going to buy some masks for some upcoming drywall work/mudding/sanding down the pipe and they're completely out of stock.
I won't need them for a while and I'm sure they'll be back in stock, but I got a chuckle out of that.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Not exactly a lot of research to do, as you seem probably aware.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yes. Do a lot of research yourself about fake research that fake people did about a fake virus, JSF.
Or just drop it and let people live with their delusions. You or anybody you care about will never get AIDS because AIDS doesn't get anybody.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Most of the facts have been scrubbed from the web. Remember, algore invented the internet long after the AIDS Religion was firmly entrenched. Books were immediately banned and censored by gays and liberals at the time of their publication, let alone trying to find them now. My books are currently disorganized and unfindable, and so I cannot find the references within them. So, research is not really needed as much as, say, just knowing the information already. Google ain't gonna help at all.
I fully agree that the virus does exist, and has for centuries. There were actual people involved, although they were largely faking their work, their results, their claims, and their actions may have been fake, in the slang sense. But with "fake research," you nailed it.
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Quote:I heard that as of a week ago, Home Depot was cleaned out of everything related, like soap, sanitizer, etc.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
FWIW, I did go to the local hardware store today to pick up some things, and I was going to buy some masks for some upcoming drywall work/mudding/sanding down the pipe and they're completely out of stock.
I won't need them for a while and I'm sure they'll be back in stock, but I got a chuckle out of that.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I am wondering about some things, and I have a suggestion for those of you in the forefront.
I suggest if somebody knowledgeable mentions that these are bad ideas, take heed of them.
If masks are scarce, can they be cleaned? It sounds like exposure to alcohol is what kills the virus - not sure how many seconds of contact are needed. So, could dunking your used mask in IPA and letting it dry clean it?
Whether for your mask, or for cleaning your glasses, or other items:
I used to work with cleaners and solutions which were highly evaporative. But I disliked wasting the cleaning/soaking solution, or getting called away and return some time later to find the soaking was all evaporated.
To save or not waste your cleaning solution: cut out the bottom of a bottle, like a flat bottomed bottle. Place your items to clean inside the "cup" and fill with IPA until submerged. Place the entire affair inside a Zip-lock bag of appropriate size. Close the zip=lock, and at the final inch push out all of the air, so that the evaporation is minimized.
For glassses, get a oblng gallon jug, shaped like anitfreeze jugs. leave the handle fully intact on top, and the bottom couple inches also. cut out panels on eah side from about 3 inches
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Quote:There's no downside to at least provisionally accepting ACTUAL DATA, or erring on the side of caution.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I'd go along with the concept of aerosol, but I'd be reticent to bet the farm on the assumption.
Quote:But the exhaust vent was positive. I'm not sure you understand what that means. The rooms are kept at negative pressure, to keep infectious agents from blowing outward whenever the door is opened. They do that by sucking up and exhausting room - contaminated - air. That the exhaust vent was contaminated indicates the room air was contaminated. It's entirely possible that with enough airflow, not enough virus remained in the room air to detect.
That sampling of rooms of infected patients had only 2 spot tested which were not positive, and they were both in the bathroom. The air samples were all nada.
Quote:I never ruled it out. In fact I said it was more important than aerosol.
The toilet BOWL was positive. I just get the sense that shared surface contact is much more prevalent as cause than many folk are realizing.
Quote:I am.
Also, I am not in Wuhan. I am not in WA. I am not withing 120 miles of a known case.
Quote:No, you were making shit up.
I was just positing an observation.
Quote:As should everyone else, at this point, since you've proved you have nothing but bullshit to offer.
I encourage learned individuals to ignore my input on this matter.
You know, I'm not an expert. But I have much more experience than you. I've worked with pathogens that required working under those specialty hoods you see on TV but probably never understood what they are (for the record - laminar flow hoods). I've worked under medical/ research positive isolation and reverse isolation. I've needed serious PPE (personal protective equipment) in some jobs. I've even worked in negative pressure rooms to keep contaminants from escaping. So I feel reasonably capable of gauging my own risk in my environment using available data, and selecting my options using my various experiences. If you want to discuss, let's discuss based on FACTS instead of bullshit.
But if you feel you must bullshit to try and win a point, maybe you should reevaluate your level of knowledge.
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Yanno JSF - what I don't understand about your HIV/ AIDS information is why you think 40 or 30 year old books are still definitive about anything.
First of all, I genuinely applaud what seems to be your sincere interest in learning.
But time moves on. Research advances. Ambiguities are cleared up, questions are answered, data is confirmed. Especially nowadays, the march of science, especially biological/ medical science, is pretty relentless. A lot of stuff from even a few years ago has already been left behind.
Early information you might have had about HIV/ AIDS is even further back in ancient times.
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see latest post for most recent figures
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Quote:I hope the National Guard has respirators and decontamination procedures, otherwise they, too, can become a new vector!
‘Containment Area’ Is Ordered for New Rochelle Coronavirus Cluster
Schools and other buildings in the city, the center of the state’s outbreak, will be shut, and the National Guard will help distribute food and clean.
And just think of our military stationed abroad ... all of those bases in the Far East, the Mideast, and Europe. If everyone is living on base it seems the virus could EASILY spread among the soldiers!
Our diplomats/CIA ... the well-heeled/well-travelled ... bankers, politicians ...
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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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Here's one reason why numbers are going up as slowly as they are:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-11/coronavirus-spread
ing-rapidly-in-california-from-airports-to-elder-care-facilities
"Beilenson said Tuesday that all patients in the nursing home would be tested for the virus, but that effort was delayed by a lack of test kits. He said the county has access to only 20 tests per day and is having to ration those between possible cases in the community and medical professionals who may have been exposed."
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Coronavirus spreading rapidly in California, from airports to elder-care facilities
By Anita Chabria, Colleen Shalby, Melody Gutierrez, Taryn Luna
March 11, 2020
8:43 AM
SACRAMENTO —
With coronavirus cases spreading rapidly across California, including the death Tuesday of a woman at a senior living facility, officials are saying it’s increasingly unlikely they can contain the virus and instead are focusing on slowing its spread.
“The community spread has already occurred,” said Peter Beilenson, Sacramento County’s health director.
An elderly patient in a northern California assisted living facility died of the novel coronavirus, sparking fears of an outbreak among other residents there and renewing concerns about statewide availability of testing kits.
Sacramento County health officials announced Tuesday that a patient in her 90s was the county’s first fatality from COVID-19.
The woman was among about 140 patients of the facility in Elk Grove, the same suburb where all public schools were closed this week after two family members with students at multiple sites tested positive for the coronavirus. Yesterday, the district announced that an elementary-age student in that family had also tested positive.
Beilenson said Tuesday that all patients in the nursing home would be tested for the virus, but that effort was delayed by a lack of test kits. He said the county has access to only 20 tests per day and is having to ration those between possible cases in the community and medical professionals who may have been exposed.
“It has been very frustrating because we have been stuck now for a couple of weeks with just 20 tests a day,” Beilenson said.
Beilenson said other residents of the Elk Grove facility are now subject to special protective measures, including having meals delivered to rooms and not being allowed to congregate in communal areas.
Gov. Gavin Newsom said Tuesday that California has 157 confirmed cases of COVID-19 and that thousands of residents may have come into contact with the disease. The United States has surpassed 1,000 coronavirus cases, with most in Washingon state, New York and California.
The governor said more than 1,075 Californians have been tested for the coronavirus at 18 labs across the state. The state is monitoring an additional 10,300 individuals who returned to California on international flights and may have been exposed, he said. Many others who have interacted with infected people are being advised to self-monitor and quarantine at home.
The largest outbreak of the illness is in Santa Clara County, where there have been 45 positive cases confirmed. On late Tuesday, officials announced that three TSA agents at Mineta San Jose International Airport tested positive. Two screeners at Los Angeles International Airport also have the coronavirus.
In Los Angeles County, Barbara Ferrer, director of the county’s Department of Public Health, said her agency is focused on slowing the spread of COVD-19 but is combining mitigation efforts with containment.
But public health officials in Placer and Yolo counties, which neighbor Sacramento to the northeast and west, have announced a shift from trying to contain the virus to accepting that it is spreading too fast for widespread quarantining measures. Seven people in Placer County have tested positive, including a Rocklin man who died last week. Yolo County has one confirmed case.
Under the new recommendations in Placer and Yolo counties, which are effective thNOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME