STAR WARS IX: The Rise of Skywalker

POSTED BY: JEWELSTAITEFAN
UPDATED: Monday, January 13, 2020 00:40
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6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:50 PM

Why did you quote that? It's wrong.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, January 8, 2020 3:21 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Why did you quote that? It's wrong.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The last 4 words.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:30 AM

Okay, but the money isn't talking is what I'm saying.

Typically, the third movie in a trilogy does better than the second movie, and if there's enough hype it will actually do better than the first. We're seeing the exact opposite here with the total profit being close to a billion dollars less than Episode 7. And that's if we believe the production costs were only $275 million and they weren't paying massive overtime to all the union members with all the re-shoots and new editing that didn't even begin until the second week of September.

With the success of Mandalorian happening while this tank-fest began, I think there's lessons to be learned here.

I suspect that they're going to shift Star Wars in general more toward the TV show format and tone down the wokeness a tad. It will still be there of course, but maybe they won't be so in your face with everything going forward.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:39 AM

And the rock keeps sinking...

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Dec 20, 2019 1 $89,615,288 4,406 $20,339 $89,615,288 1
Dec 21, 2019 1 $47,467,565 -47% 4,406 $10,773 $137,082,853 2
Dec 22, 2019 1 $40,301,011 -15% 4,406 $9,147 $177,383,864 3
Dec 23, 2019 1 $29,389,847 -27% 4,406 $6,670 $206,773,711 4
Dec 24, 2019 1 $20,270,474 -31% 4,406 $4,601 $227,044,185 5
Dec 25, 2019 1 $32,165,681 +59% 4,406 $7,300 $259,209,866 6
Dec 26, 2019 1 $30,586,950 -5% 4,406 $6,942 $289,796,816 7
Dec 27, 2019 1 $26,069,973 -15% -71% 4,406 $5,917 $315,866,789 8
Dec 28, 2019 1 $25,075,535 -4% -47% 4,406 $5,691 $340,942,324 9
Dec 29, 2019 1 $21,244,082 -15% -47% 4,406 $4,822 $362,186,406 10
Dec 30, 2019 1 $15,302,130 -28% -48% 4,406 $3,473 $377,488,536 11
Dec 31, 2019 1 $13,217,698 -14% -35% 4,406 $3,000 $390,706,234 12
Jan 1, 2020 1 $17,076,472 +29% -47% 4,406 $3,876 $407,782,706 13
Jan 2, 2020 1 $9,274,735 -46% -70% 4,406 $2,105 $417,057,441 14
Jan 3, 2020 1 $11,038,440 +19% -58% 4,406 $2,505 $428,095,881 15
Jan 4, 2020 1 $14,319,903 +30% -43% 4,406 $3,250 $442,415,784 16
Jan 5, 2020 1 $9,166,472 -36% -57% 4,406 $2,080 $451,582,256 17
Jan 6, 2020 1 $2,978,242 -68% -81% 4,406 $676 $454,560,498 18

That's huge. A 68% drop from Sunday to Monday.

Joker also had a 67% drop on it's third Sunday, but that was after a 104% increase the previous Friday and a 45% increase of that on Saturday.

Episode 9 only saw a 19% increase on Friday and a 30% increase of that on Saturday.

At $2,978,242, Episode 9 almost made less money than R-Rated Joker did on it's 3rd Monday ($2,742,836).

That's where Disney is at with this turd right now. Hoping to god that it has the legs of Joker and doesn't get embarrassed next week.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

BYTEMITE

Thursday, January 9, 2020 10:03 PM

I am the dinosaur.

The new star wars is a hodgepodge as was said of some good and bad half-baked ideas... That you'll hate me for saying, but at the time I watched them I actually enjoyed, because I no longer expect Star Wars movies to be "good" exactly.

Maybe it's just the prequels lowered my expectations that much - and honestly I still think the prequels are worse if you can believe it.

Mostly I just picked out the stuff I liked about them and blanked out the bad stuff.

I still think some things about it are good. To understand where I'm coming from you have to understand that I actually think that the casino scene is the heart of the trilogy.

But why?! It's Dumb! Camels! Rose is there and she's no Lando in terms of a sixth ranger coming in to the main group in the second movie!

All correct. The Camel scene is a really dumb sequence, meant to be something entertaining for the kids in the middle of all the philosophizing. Rose is an incredibly weak love interest who doesn't really serve any point in the movies and disappears from ROS for a reason.

So why is Rose there?

Because, my theory is, in earlier drafts of the script Rose was supposed to be Rey, and Rey was supposed to come back sooner. Rey was supposed to be the one explaining to Finn about the weapon merchants that keep stirring up the war, a perspective coming from both what she understood as a scavenger of the parts and weapons that would blow up and fall on Jakku, and as an exploration about how both Light and Dark sides would get stirred up against each other and perpetuate the war. Then the explanation goes into why it's still important for them to fight, and keep pushing for freedom. Then the moment with the force kid - the galaxy has a future, and it's the small folk with hidden talents, foreshadowing when the galaxy as a whole answers the call in ROS.

It would have been far more meaningful for all this explanation for Finn to come from Rey instead of Rose, because of their relationship, but Rey wasn't there, so they wrote in someone we just met to say it all and it took out all the impact.

Why did they do that? Because I suspect Disney was getting backlash for hinting at Rey/Finn, and like cowards they backed off. And they brought it back when their weak ass attempt to placate the Rey/Finn haters with a new Finn love interest failed.

That said, I actually think Finn was going to try to tell Rey that he knew what her heritage was, all the contextual clues seem to be there, more than a declaration of love would be. I'm not sure how he would have FOUND OUT exactly, but it would have had the most emotional impact. It's strange they never followed up on it.

Kylo/Rey is a garbage pairing, no disagreements there, but I don't mind the kiss so much because at least he died in the end rather than continue the messed up mutual abuse thing they had going on. Though I'd rather they didn't kiss at all, and Kylo live, because the die to redeem yourself thing in star wars is pretty played out.

I liked that Rey wasn't really a chosen one, it's a cliche that always bothers me in writing. I like that she stole all her skill from Kylo rummaging around in her mind without really thinking that he had to protect himself from that. Maybe in star wars where the force itself is a concept of fate and destiny, a chosen one can make sense, but it's still an idea that's also really played out for me. I like the stories about the small people who don't have some grand destiny/plot armor trying to get by in a bigger world, I think that wanting a story to be relatable is not uncommon (and might be why people tend to prefer Rogue One over the sequels, RIP Kyle Katarn though).

Of course they undid all that in Rise of Skywalker, but whatever. I know that was controversial so they had to come up with *some* shocking twist about Rey's heritage and they weren't going to make her a secret S

SECOND

Friday, January 10, 2020 6:27 PM

The galaxy isn’t far far away, it’s just very small.

It’s one thing — a depressing thing — to see that, obviously, there was never any unifying vision for this trilogy; no one mapped out even a sketch of a overarching plot for the three movies, and the story it tells is damn near incoherent because no one seems to have had any idea what it was going to be about. Worse, though, is how, with The Rise of Skywalker — the film struggles to justify that title — Star Wars became the Empire, solidifying ideas about lineage and destiny and heritage that, more than ever in today’s world, need to die, when slavish adherence to dynasties and heritage are doing so much damage.

I’m always shocked when anything considered science fiction or fantasy shows itself to be so lacking in imagination, and when its fans reward it for its narrowmindedness. It’s clear now that whatever flight of fancy Star Wars once took me on, it is no longer interested in having me along on the journey. This saddens me, but there are plenty of other stories out there that will engage me as I need.

More at www.flickfilosopher.com/2020/01/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-movie-
review-the-galaxy-isnt-far-far-away-its-just-very-small.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, January 11, 2020 5:17 PM

Good, Second. Go watch the other stories then.

Hey Bytemite. Deeper analysis than I've read pretty much anywhere else you have there.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

AURAPTOR

Saturday, January 11, 2020 6:37 PM

I don't buy that SW ' screwed ' JJ in any manner. The Disney trilogy was never going to pay homage to the original story. It was doomed from the very start. They opted to NOT reunite Han, Luke and Leia on screen in the first movie, then Carrie Fisher up and died.

From that point forward, the story they WANTED to tell, of Leia taking over for Luke , had come to an end.

Instead of putting in serious hard work researching the canon stories from the EU ( KK claimed there WAS no source material, remember? ) the chose to push forward w/ the original idea. Through old footage and the magic of Hollywood ( CG ) they tried to piece the tattered parts of their dream together.

But it was never going to work. They knew it. But still weren't deterred.

They gave us Disney RoS, and then shortly after, this nonsense about the Jar-Jar Abrams cut started circulating. The REAL story?

Nope. That died even before Carrie Fisher passed. It died when Lucas sold the story to Disney.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, January 13, 2020 12:40 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I don't buy that SW ' screwed ' JJ in any manner. The Disney trilogy was never going to pay homage to the original story. It was doomed from the very start. They opted to NOT reunite Han, Luke and Leia on screen in the first movie, then Carrie Fisher up and died.

From that point forward, the story they WANTED to tell, of Leia taking over for Luke , had come to an end.

Instead of putting in serious hard work researching the canon stories from the EU ( KK claimed there WAS no source material, remember? ) the chose to push forward w/ the original idea. Through old footage and the magic of Hollywood ( CG ) they tried to piece the tattered parts of their dream together.

But it was never going to work. They knew it. But still weren't deterred.

They gave us Disney RoS, and then shortly after, this nonsense about the Jar-Jar Abrams cut started circulating. The REAL story?

Nope. That died even before Carrie Fisher passed. It died when Lucas sold the story to Disney.

It is interesting that you don't believe the story.

I can say that after seeing the film in cinema, the description of Disney editing behind the Director's back without telling him really does seem like the most fitting explanation of what I saw on screen.

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