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The Senate itself is on trial
No. It's not.
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Quote:If the Republican Senators weren't toads, they would rid themselves of Trump over his handling of tariffs:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
The Senate itself is on trial
No. It's not.
BTW... how's that Secret Ballot working out for you guys?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
So here’s the story: Donald Trump has abused the powers of his office to threaten a U.S. ally. His threat is probably illegal; his refusal to produce documents about his decision process is definitely illegal. And his claims about the motivation for his actions don’t pass the laugh test.
You probably think that I’m talking about Trump’s attempt to pressure Ukraine into producing political dirt on Joe Biden by withholding aid, and the subsequent cover-up — you know, the stuff for which he has been impeached (and that half the country believes should lead to his removal from office). But there’s another, somewhat similar story: his repeated threats to impose prohibitive tariffs on imports of automobiles from Europe.
Granted, the auto tariff story isn’t as vile as the Ukraine story, and it poses less of a direct threat to a fair election. But it’s recognizably part of the same syndrome: abuse of presidential power, contempt for the rule of law, and dishonesty about motivations.
Some background: U.S. tariffs — taxes on imports — are normally set the same way we set other taxes, through legislation that must pass Congress and then be signed by the president. The law does, however, give the president discretion to impose temporary tariffs under certain circumstances, for example to give U.S. industries a breathing space in the face of sudden import surges, to counter foreign export subsidies or to protect national security (Section 232).
Until Trump, Section 232 cases were rare. He has, however, used the national security justification for tariffs with abandon, and zero regard for plausibility. Canadian aluminum poses a national security risk? Really?
And so it was that in 2018 the Trump administration announced that it was beginning a Section 232 investigation of auto imports, especially from Europe and Japan. Every trade expert I know considered the notion that German or Japanese cars constitute a threat to national security absurd. Nonetheless, in 2019 a report from the Commerce Department concluded that auto imports do, indeed, endanger national security.
What was the basis for this conclusion? Well, we don’t actually know — because the Trump administration has refused to release the report.
This stonewalling is clearly illegal. The statute requires that all portions of the Commerce report that don’t contain classified or proprietary information be published in the Federal Register, and it’s hard to believe that any of the report contains such information, let alone the whole thing. Furthermore, Congress inserted a provision in a spending bill last month specifically requiring that the Trump administration turn over the report.
Why won’t Trump obey the law and hand over the document? My guess is that his people are afraid to let anyone see the Commerce report because it’s embarrassingly thin and incompetent. To be honest, I have some doubts about whether the report even exists.
More at www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/opinion/trump-auto-tariff.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Did Prince Charles Snub Mike Pence at Auschwitz Memorial? Yep...
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About 72% agreed that the trial should allow witnesses with firsthand knowledge of the impeachment charges to testify, including 84% of Democrats and 69% of Republicans. And 70% of the public, including 80% of Democrats and 73% of Republicans, said senators should act as impartial jurors during the trial.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:If the Republican Senators weren't toads, they would rid themselves of Trump over his handling of tariffs:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
The Senate itself is on trial
No. It's not.
BTW... how's that Secret Ballot working out for you guys?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
So here’s the story: Donald Trump has abused the powers of his office to threaten a U.S. ally. His threat is probably illegal; his refusal to produce documents about his decision process is definitely illegal. And his claims about the motivation for his actions don’t pass the laugh test.
You probably think that I’m talking about Trump’s attempt to pressure Ukraine into producing political dirt on Joe Biden by withholding aid, and the subsequent cover-up — you know, the stuff for which he has been impeached (and that half the country believes should lead to his removal from office). But there’s another, somewhat similar story: his repeated threats to impose prohibitive tariffs on imports of automobiles from Europe.
Granted, the auto tariff story isn’t as vile as the Ukraine story, and it poses less of a direct threat to a fair election. But it’s recognizably part of the same syndrome: abuse of presidential power, contempt for the rule of law, and dishonesty about motivations.
Some background: U.S. tariffs — taxes on imports — are normally set the same way we set other taxes, through legislation that must pass Congress and then be signed by the president. The law does, however, give the president discretion to impose temporary tariffs under certain circumstances, for example to give U.S. industries a breathing space in the face of sudden import surges, to counter foreign export subsidies or to protect national security (Section 232).
Until Trump, Section 232 cases were rare. He has, however, used the national security justification for tariffs with abandon, and zero regard for plausibility. Canadian aluminum poses a national security risk? Really?
And so it was that in 2018 the Trump administration announced that it was beginning a Section 232 investigation of auto imports, especially from Europe and Japan. Every trade expert I know considered the notion that German or Japanese cars constitute a threat to national security absurd. Nonetheless, in 2019 a report from the Commerce Department concluded that auto imports do, indeed, endanger national security.
What was the basis for this conclusion? Well, we don’t actually know — because the Trump administration has refused to release the report.
This stonewalling is clearly illegal. The statute requires that all portions of the Commerce report that don’t contain classified or proprietary information be published in the Federal Register, and it’s hard to believe that any of the report contains such information, let alone the whole thing. Furthermore, Congress inserted a provision in a spending bill last month specifically requiring that the Trump administration turn over the report.
Why won’t Trump obey the law and hand over the document? My guess is that his people are afraid to let anyone see the Commerce report because it’s embarrassingly thin and incompetent. To be honest, I have some doubts about whether the report even exists.
More at www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/opinion/trump-auto-tariff.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Right Matters
About 72% agreed that the trial should allow witnesses with firsthand knowledge of the impeachment charges to testify, including 84% of Democrats and 69% of Republicans. And 70% of the public, including 80% of Democrats and 73% of Republicans, said senators should act as impartial jurors during the trial.
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So in other words... America wants the Senate to handle this like adults after the children in the house did what children do.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Right Matters
About 72% agreed that the trial should allow witnesses with firsthand knowledge of the impeachment charges to testify, including 84% of Democrats and 69% of Republicans. And 70% of the public, including 80% of Democrats and 73% of Republicans, said senators should act as impartial jurors during the trial.
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So in other words... America wants the Senate to handle this like adults after the children in the house did what children do.
Rather than sitting in anticipation Jack. Stewing, while awaiting others posts so you can challenge them. You should pay attention to facts that are being posted. Do this, so you don’t appear to be little more than an angry troll; ignorant to the truth.
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Quote:What you mean is you're like every other Trump voter (excluding the rich ones): too slow, too incurious to learn what is happening all around you. Instead, you miss all the opportunities to make life easier that are everywhere in America, but only for those who pay attention, never for those who already know it all and are certain they have all the commonsense they will ever need.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
TL;DR
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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If you needed a reminder of what’s at stake in President Trump’s impeachment trial currently underway in the Senate, the danger Trump’s pattern of behavior poses for all of us for as long as he is president, Rep. Adam Schiff cut through the moral clutter Thursday during his closing statement. It’s been a long three years, and even if you know Trump committed a crime or simply violated the oath of his office, it’s easy to be lulled into the GOP-induced nihilism that maybe this isn’t such a big deal, maybe it’s normal, and finally maybe it’s too much, too far to remove a president, even Donald Trump, from office for it.
To this ethical fog, created by Republican relativism, Schiff provides a succinct and often stirring rebuttal, reminding reasonable, likeminded Americans, first, to trust themselves. Schiff then makes the case for why Trump is dangerous to America’s national interest and thereby dangerous to Americans themselves.
Quote:More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/adam-schiff-stirring-argum
Does anybody really question whether the President is capable of what he’s charged with? No one is really making the argument that Donald Trump would never do such a thing, because of course we know that he would, and of course we know that he did.
It’s a somewhat different question though to ask, okay, it’s pretty obvious, whether we can say it publicly or we can’t say it publicly, we all know what we’re dealing here with this President. But does he really need to be removed? And this is why he needs to be removed: Donald Trump chose Rudy Giuliani over his own intelligence agencies. He chose Rudy Giuliani over his own FBI Director. He chose Rudy Giuliani over his own national security advisers.
When all of them were telling him this Ukraine 2016 stuff is kooky, crazy Russian propaganda. He chose not to believe them. He chose to believe Rudy Giuliani. That makes him dangerous to us, to our country. That was Donald Trump’s choice. Now, why would Donald Trump believe a man like Rudy Giuliani over a man like Christopher Wray? Okay. Why would anyone in their right mind believe Rudy Giuliani over Christopher Wray?
Because he wanted to and because what Rudy was offering him was something that would help him personally. And what Christopher Wray was offering him was merely the truth. What Christopher Wray was offering him was merely the information he needed to protect his country and its elections, but that’s not good enough. What’s in it for him? What’s in it for Donald Trump? This is why he needs to be removed.
Now, you may be asking how much damage can he really do in the next several months until the election? A lot. A lot of damage.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:What you mean is you're like every other Trump voter (excluding the rich ones): too slow, too incurious to learn what is happening all around you. Instead, you miss all the opportunities to make life easier that are everywhere in America, but only for those who pay attention, never for those who already know it all and are certain they have all the commonsense they will ever need.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
TL;DR
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
No. I just find your inane rambling and daily show of hypocrisy to be extremely boring.
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