how the Democrats give away votes - illegal immigration

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
As a comparison, please note that Canada has strict requirements for those who seek asylum or permanent residence in Canada.

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As a comparison, the United States immigrant population represents 14.4% of the U.S. population while Canada has a larger proportion of immigrants, with 21.9%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States

And a majority of native born Canadians want immigrants out of the country, whether they are in Canada legally or not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_Canada

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Welfare state and open borders simply don't mix. Many EU nations have discovered that already, and most Americans understand that concept at a gut level.

KIKI, are you planning on creating a different thread for each topic?

Because there's another one that the Democrats are focusing on (according to someone who watched the first round of the second debate) which is, if anything, even more unpopular than extending welfare to illegal migrants, and that's "reparations for slavery".

But that's another topic and possible another thread.

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Is kamala Harris the one who supports reparations, and would be one of the heirs of slaveowners who would be paying out the reparations?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Welfare state and open borders simply don't mix. Many EU nations have discovered that already, and most Americans understand that concept at a gut level.

KIKI, are you planning on creating a different thread for each topic?

Because there's another one that the Democrats are focusing on (according to someone who watched the first round of the second debate) which is, if anything, even more unpopular than extending welfare to illegal migrants, and that's "reparations for slavery".

But that's another topic and possible another thread.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Is kamala Harris the one who supports reparations, and would be one of the heirs of slaveowners who would be paying out the reparations?

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According to an somewhat outdated website the answer is maybe. https://newsone.com/playlist/2020-presidential-candidates-reparations/
item/9/

According to the website, definite supporters are Cory Booker, Julián Castro, Kirsten Gillibrand, Mike Gravel, John Hickenlooper, Beto O’Rourke (yes AND no), and Marianne Williamson.

Others are definitely for studying the subject, or equivocal on what 'reparations' means. Only a very few candidates have definitively said no to cash payments, one of them being Pete Buttigieg.

I haven't re watched or summarized this second round of debates, so I'm not sure where people stand now.

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Democratic Presidential Candidates Need to Stop Taking Unpopular Stances

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http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/democratic-candidates-taking-un
popular-stances-progressive-trump-private-insurance-decriminalize-border.html

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Democratic Debates Will Alienate Democratic Voters
The progressive push to the left among presidential candidates will alienate most Democrats and independents, helping Donald Trump to a second term.

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https://reason.com/2019/08/01/the-democratic-debates-will-alienate-dem
ocratic-voters/

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Democrats Cannot Ignore the Rest of America and Win in 2020
Recent polls have shown that Democratic primary voter positions are not in step with the sentiments of the general electorate. This needs to change for Democrats to defeat Trump in 2020.

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https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-democrats-cannot-ignore-the-rest-of-
america-and-win-in-2020/FC6CC306-BDFD-46E8-A38A-52A7E2863A09.html

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When did Barack Obama become a Republican?

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/01/opinions/when-did-barack-obama-become-a
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It doesn't look good for Democrats when their own newspapers are saying they're not doing it right.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Just to say that the Dems are doing their usual "push polling". The DNC sends out these "surveys" which ask things like "what are your personal priorities? Check up to three" then lists 14 things, NONE of which are anywhere on my priority list. So I make use of the teeny-tiny space that they sometimes include for "other" (and where they don't include space I use whatever margins there are).

The reason why I bring this up isn't just my own personal grotch, altho it IS annoying as hell.

I bring this up because the DNC CLEARLY has these questions geared towards it's "base" ... all they want to know is What percent of THEIR BASE agrees with their priorities?

Well, I have news for them: Even if 95% of their registered base votes for their whackaddodle candidates and whackadoodle programs, it won't be enough to win them the election. Registered Democrats (of which I am one) only make up about 35% of the voting population. That's not enough to win an election. They need to find out what independent and maybe even GOP voters are thinking ... yanno, maybe try to represent the typical American and not just their rabidly-devoted (and maybe NOT so rabidly-devoted) base.

I think there are policies that would rightly represent almost ALL Americans, not just those who see themselves as permanent victims. Good jobs for everyone who can work. Equality of education and opportunity, no discrimination in jobs or pay or housing or banking. Healthcare. No more war. A system that rewards work, not ownership. Seems like it's a plan that almost everyone could get behind, if they believed that the promise was genuine and achievable. So why don't the Dems do it?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I think there are policies that would rightly represent almost ALL Americans, not just those who see themselves as permanent victims. Good jobs for everyone who can work. Equality of education and opportunity, no discrimination in jobs or pay or housing or banking. Healthcare. No more war. A system that rewards work, not ownership. Seems like it's a plan that almost everyone could get behind, if they believed that the promise was genuine and achievable. So why don't the Dems do it?

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That is pure Huey Long: "A Chicken In Every Pot, and Every Man A King." Long was way ahead of his time, and that was in 1934. He wanted a cap on extreme wealth, and shift the economy balance to the then barely existing middle class. He also was assassinated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huey_Long#Assassination_and_aftermath

Today, the median income is $60,000 per year. The half of the country's voters above the median would oppose strenuously any policy that helped those below the median. For even raising the minimum wage, there is little support. And forget about Healthcare for all when those above the median already have healthcare. And I NEVER see those either above or below the median complaining that our Generals and Admirals are half-ass losers who kill civilians but never win a war. Vietnam? We'd still be fighting there if Congress had not cutoff funding for that specific war. Most Americans won't go to the polls to demand the Pentagon budget be cut in half. Unless the budget is cut, the endless American wars will continue. Instead, American voters want either more spent on "Defense" or maintain the present spending levels.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Though that's a generalization, it might be true.

But Democrats should stick with that message instead of whatever the fuck they're trying to pull right now.

They're about to get annihilated in 2020.


I don't think that most of them even believe what they're saying. They're just saying what they think they need to say right now to get the most rabid SJW types to come out and vote for them in the primaries.

But how are they going to walk any of this back when they have to debate Trump? They're a million miles from the center right now. When asked a question they don't have a legitimate answer for, they reply with "That's a Republican talking point".

Okay.

Well if you can't answer the question now in a room full of friendlies, what do you suppose will happen when it's just you 1-on-1 with Trump?


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I think there are policies that would rightly represent almost ALL Americans, not just those who see themselves as permanent victims. Good jobs for everyone who can work. Equality of education and opportunity, no discrimination in jobs or pay or housing or banking. Healthcare. No more war. A system that rewards work, not ownership. Seems like it's a plan that almost everyone could get behind, if they believed that the promise was genuine and achievable. So why don't the Dems do it?= SIGNY

That is pure Huey Long: "A Chicken In Every Pot, and Every Man A King."

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Er, well, it looks more like FDR to me, except the thing about "no more war" and "reward work not ownership"

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Long was way ahead of his time, and that was in 1934. He wanted a cap on extreme wealth, and shift the economy balance to the then barely existing middle class. He also was assassinated.

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I guess anyone who proposes something TRULY at odds with TPTB has to think about assasination. In fact, I'm a little surprised Trump has lasted this long; he must have an extremely dedicated security team.

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Today, the median income is $60,000 per year. The half of the country's voters above the median would oppose strenuously any policy that helped those below the median. For even raising the minimum wage, there is little support. And forget about Healthcare for all when those above the median already have healthcare. And I NEVER see those either above or below the median complaining that our Generals and Admirals are half-ass losers who kill civilians but never win a war. Vietnam? We'd still be fighting there if Congress had not cutoff funding for that specific war. Most Americans won't go to the polls to demand the Pentagon budget be cut in half. Unless the budget is cut, the endless American wars will continue. Instead, American voters want either more spent on "Defense" or maintain the present spending levels.

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Disagree with you there, SECOND. Many of those above the median income make their money by WORKING. Doctors, engineers, chemists, lawyers.... they're above the median but they're not rentier capitalists. They should have no problems with a system that rewards work.

And as far as Americans "wanting" war ... yanno, Americans have to be constantly prodded into it. The peace alternative has to be constantly removed from sight: That's why Tulsi Gabbard is being soft-censored from the picture. The propagnadists wouldn't have to work so hard to stampede us into war if (1) our opinion didn't make a difference and (2) if our opinion wasn't heading in the opposite direction.

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