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Mueller Investigation Is Over / Part two are the trials. Hey Jack, I Was Right. 20 Plus Russians Charged, 19 Of Trumps People Convicted of Felonies.

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Sunday, May 5, 2019 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Signym, I fail to see why Trump was worried about what Mueller might have found on the Russians.
SECOND, I fail to see that Trump WAS worried about "the Russians".

Just because Trump repeatedly called the Mueller investigation a "witch hunt" doesn't mean that he was worried about the Russians, or even that he was worried about what someone might find concerning collusion*. Being maliciously prosecuted would be enough to get anyone pissed off, ESPECIALLY if you know that you're innocent, and ESPECIALLY if you know that this politically-based prosecution will have real-life political consequences.

You're either stupid or you're lying when you keep insisting that Trump was worried about "the Russians". Given your history, I think you're just lying.

When will Mueller's Witch Hunt Fishing Expedition be over?

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Monday, May 6, 2019 1:32 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When will Mueller's Witch Hunt Fishing Expedition be over?

First and most obviously: Attorney General William P. Barr presented a plainly slanted prebuttal of the Mueller report and stood up for the president’s conduct and did so with a pugilistic swagger that almost dared opponents to take issue with him.

[Read the full, redacted Mueller report]
https://games-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/f5fe
536c-81bb-45be-86e5-a9fee9794664/note/a8d336ef-e98d-4a08-987d-b4c154b22700.pdf


Barr’s presentation was tendentious in both substance and form. In substance, his suggestion that President Trump’s anger and frustration at the probe was an indication that he lacked criminal intent to obstruct is wrong; if anything, Trump’s fury points in the direction of obstructive intent. And it must be troubling for the Justice Department and the FBI, which looked to Barr as an incoming guardian, to see him simply ignore the president’s assault on law enforcement over the life of the probe.

The style and form of Barr’s news conference was even more one-sided. Barr crescendoed repeatedly at his several declarations echoing the president’s mantra of “no collusion” (even using that legally meaningless term). And the most bizarre aspect of the entire performance was his sympathetic portrayal of the president’s overwrought state of mind, resembling every bit a personal defense attorney rather than the chief law enforcement officer of the United States.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, May 6, 2019 2:09 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Impeach EVERYONE!!!

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You see! You can learn something, good for you Jack!

SGG

The funniest thing about this whole exchange is that I'm the guy that's been saying the government needs an enema since the first day I posted in the RWED.
I've learned nothing.

Do Right, Be Right. :)


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Monday, May 6, 2019 2:24 AM

The Russia Investigation Will Continue

There is still much to uncover — and America’s intelligence services will work to uncover it. For example, how did the Kremlin know where to aim its disinformation effort? How did it know which communities to target, in which counties and states? One can argue that the Russians had a better sense of where to deploy their resources than did the Clinton campaign.

Why did Trump and those around him consistently parrot Russian talking points? Why was the Trump campaign so intent on disregarding expert advice on Russian issues?

The Mueller report notes that while investigators couldn’t prove a conspiracy, some people nonetheless displayed conspiratorial behavior (destroying communications, engaging in a cover-up, and obstructing the work of investigators).

The FBI, which has the benefit of secret intelligence, is certainly aware that it has only scratched the surface of Russian activities in 2016. Cyberhacks, troll farms, and the use of WikiLeaks are hardly cutting-edge espionage tradecraft. The Russian efforts that have been revealed to date were poorly hidden and displayed little professional elegance.

Counterintelligence agencies must find it hard to believe the cupboard is already bare since, as Mueller pointed out, the Russians had a dedicated and extensive program to damage the U.S. polity. . . .

More at www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/05/russia-investigation-will-ou
tlast-muellers-report/588628
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, May 6, 2019 2:32 AM

SECONDRATE, I noticed that you keep "mind reading" - putting words in other people's mouths and motivations in other people's minds that aren't there.

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Monday, May 6, 2019 2:50 AM

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SECONDRATE, I noticed that you keep "mind reading" - putting words in other people's mouths and motivations in other people's minds that aren't there.

A number of commentators have focused on the bumbling nature of those in and around the Trump campaign, concluding that their ignorance and naïveté militate against their ability to engage in a conspiracy. This is a misunderstanding of how the espionage game works. Intelligence services recruit plenty of gullible people. The responsibility for recruiting, training, exploiting, and protecting a clandestine operation lies on the side of the professional intelligence service: The spy service must translate the target’s potential willingness into a productive and secure relationship; the professional intelligence officer must slowly manipulate the relationship in an increasingly conspiratorial and secret direction, then help rationalize it for the target. The Cold War was littered with Kremlin spies the West failed to uncover in a timely manner because Western agents assumed they were too obvious, absurd, drunk, dim-witted, or low-level. Naive and ignorant people can get in too deep when manipulated by professionals.

More at www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/05/russia-investigation-will-ou
tlast-muellers-report/588628
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, May 6, 2019 3:07 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECONDRATE, I noticed that you keep "mind reading" - putting words in other people's mouths and motivations in other people's minds that aren't there.

A number of commentators have focused on the bumbling nature of those in and around the Trump campaign,

This from the Number One Fan of Stuttermonkey-in-Chief #44.
Buffoons, both.

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Monday, May 6, 2019 3:19 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
A number of commentators have focused on the bumbling nature of those in and around the Trump campaign . . . This from the Number One Fan of Stuttermonkey-in-Chief #44.
Buffoons, both.

Trump’s new favorite network embraces Russian propaganda. One America News Network (OANN) has no qualms with playing the mouthpiece for Kremlin-hatched conspiracy theories. And one of its most loyal viewers lives in the White House.

There’s enormous value to Moscow in getting its fake news repeated by an American newscast, said former FBI agent Clint Watts, a research fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute.

“It’s source laundering,” Watts said. “Then they can recirculate the story as an organic American story, and that could travel further than if it’s only on RT and Sputnik… The more places it shows up the more it looks like it’s not a single source origin story.”

There’s another benefit to the Kremlin in airing its disinformation on OANN. One of the channel’s most ardent and credulous viewers happens to be President of the United States.

“It's a great network,” Donald Trump said during a 2017 news conference.

Trump is definitely watching the network. Last month he tweeted an old conspiracy claim, discredited in 2017, that the U.K.’s signals intelligence agency helped President Obama spy on his campaign, after seeing a segment about it on OANN.

“WOW!,” the president wrote. “It is now just a question of time before the truth comes out, and when it does, it will be a beauty!”

More at www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-new-favorite-network-oann-embraces-russia
n-propaganda


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, May 6, 2019 3:55 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECONDRATE, I noticed that you keep "mind reading" - putting words in other people's mouths and motivations in other people's minds that aren't there.

It is easy to read Rudy Giuliani's mind and a Republican Senator's mind:

When asked on Sunday about Rudy Giuliani saying there was “nothing wrong” with the Trump campaign using Russian information, Republican Senate Judiciary Committee member Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA) struggled to directly repudiate Giuliani’s comment.

During an interview on “Meet The Press,” Chuck Todd asked Kennedy if Giuliani, President Donald Trump’s lawyer, was wrong to make such a remark.

“I don’t know if he’s wrong or right,” Kennedy responded. “I don’t know what the law is.”

An exasperated Todd asked, “But ethically, should that be wrong?”

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/nothing-wrong-with-taking-informati
on-from-russians-giuliani-spins-mueller-report


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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THG
Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:27 AM

Trump is whistling past the grave yard.

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