' The truth - We will go extinct, very soon.'

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Chris Martenson, predominantly a financial critic, is now talking openly about the inevitability of collapse: "...the unthinkable is forcing its way into our collective consciousness. The ecosystems of the world that have gently held civilizations over the past 10,000 years are collapsing."
https://www.peakprosperity.com/theyve-stolen-our-future-2/]

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Little late to the party arentcha ya, sweetcheeks?

I already linked Martenson. http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62566 And, no, he's not "predominantly" a financial critic. His background is in biology .. pathology and neurotoxicology, specifically. He just applies the lessons he learned from biology to capitalism ie. infinite growth in a finite system isn't possible.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Chris Martenson, predominantly a financial critic, is now talking openly about the inevitability of collapse: "...the unthinkable is forcing its way into our collective consciousness. The ecosystems of the world that have gently held civilizations over the past 10,000 years are collapsing."
https://www.peakprosperity.com/theyve-stolen-our-future-2/]

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Little late to the party arentcha ya, sweetcheeks?

I already linked Martenson. http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62566 And, no, he's not "predominantly" a financial critic. His background is in biology .. pathology and neurotoxicology, specifically. He just applies the lessons he learned from biology to capitalism ie. infinite growth in a finite system isn't possible.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Eat shit and die, Russian troll.

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https://www.fasterthanexpected.com/

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Chris Martenson, predominantly a financial critic, is now talking openly about the inevitability of collapse: "...the unthinkable is forcing its way into our collective consciousness. The ecosystems of the world that have gently held civilizations over the past 10,000 years are collapsing."
https://www.peakprosperity.com/theyve-stolen-our-future-2/
REAVERBOT

Little late to the party arentcha ya, sweetcheeks?

I already linked Martenson. http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62566 And, no, he's not "predominantly" a financial critic. His background is in biology .. pathology and neurotoxicology, specifically. He just applies the lessons he learned from biology to capitalism ie. infinite growth in a finite system isn't possible.- SIGNY

Eat shit and die, Russian troll.- REAVERBOT

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Now REAVERBOT is a guy who would carry on a duel to the death on the deck of the Titanic as it was sinking.

Hello??? Is there a rational human being in there somewhere???



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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Why carbon credits and carbon trading doesn't work:

It it a scheme to make pollution control palatable to corporations by "monetizing" pollution control. However, there is a huge incentive to cheat, and unless the program is run with strict attention and accountability it is doomed to fail. There are two problems with this kind of program

1) There are a lot of moving parts which makes cheating easy. Rather than just limiting carbon dioxide emissions from a source directly it depends on many other players ... often players far away in India or Brazil or Indonesia or Gabon ... to do their part. Time and distance make compliance impossible to verify. All real audits which go beyond advertising slogans and which actually track down the forests being managed or the coal-fired power plants being converted have shown that nearly all carbon "trading" schemes are just greenwashing.

2) Also, many of the carbon capture schemes depend on complex ecologies, the net effect on carbon dioxide it often impossible to measure, even if everyone is operating with the best of intentions.

If you want someone to "do" something, you need to reward it. If you want someone to "stop" something, you need to punish it. The best plan for reducing carbon emissions is a carbon tax. You can immediately turn that tax back to "the people" but what it does is make the RELATIVE cost of carbon higher.

This article says the same thing as an article that I read fifteen years ago. Nothing has been learned in that time.

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Why Carbon Credits For Forest Preservation May Be Worse Than Nothing
By Lisa Song, with additional reporting by Paula Moura Photography by Fernando Martinho, for ProPublica
May 22, 2019

RIO BRANCO, Brazil — The state of Acre, on the western edge of Brazil, is so remote, there’s a national joke that it doesn’t exist. But for geochemist Foster Brown, it’s the center of the universe, a place that could help save the world.

“This is an example of hope,” he said, as we stood behind his office at the Federal University of Acre, a tropical campus carved into the Amazon rainforest. Brown placed his hand on a spindly trunk, ordering me to follow his lead. “There is a flow of water going up that stem, and there is a flow of sap coming down, and when it comes down it has carbon compounds,” he said. “Do you feel that?”

I couldn’t feel a thing. But that invisible process holds the key to a massive flow of cash into Brazil and an equally pivotal opportunity for countries trying to head off climate change without throwing their economies into turmoil. If the carbon in these trees could be quantified, then Acre could sell credits to polluters emitting clouds of CO2. Whatever they release theoretically would be offset, or canceled out, by the rainforest.

Five thousand miles away in California, politicians, scientists, oil tycoons and tree huggers are bursting with excitement over the idea. The state is the second-largest carbon polluter in America, and its oil and gas industry emits about 50 million metric tons of CO2 a year. What if Chevron or Shell or Phillips 66 could offset some of their damage by paying Brazil not to cut down trees?

The appetite is global. For the airline industry and industrialized nations in the Paris climate accord, offsets could be a cheap alternative to actually reducing fossil fuel use.

But the desperate hunger for these carbon credit plans appears to have blinded many of their advocates to the mounting pile of evidence that they haven’t — and won’t — deliver the climate benefit they promise.

I looked at projects going back two decades and spanning the globe and pulled together findings from academic researchers in far-flung forest villages, studies published in obscure journals, foreign government reports and dense technical documents.

I enlisted a satellite imagery analysis firm to see how much of the forest remained in a preservation project that started selling credits in 2013. Four years later, only half the proj

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