VICE
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Such a good movie, I posted twice. But the point of Variety's review is that Vice didn't explain what motivated Cheney to prefer torturing rather than following the time tested methods, both legal and very effective, used to get information from Nazi prisoners during WWII. Is it because Cheney tortured animals as child? Or did he not know any better as an adult? Unfortunately for a movie that is more biographical than satirical, the movie script does not explore Cheney's underlying motivations. The movie treats Cheney's psychology as a black box: he does stuff for superficial reasons or even no reason at all. That's why Cheney went to war in Iraq and that's why it was an expensive fiasco -- there wasn't enough strong, solid, truthful reasons for him and Bush to do what they did. Not surprisingly, Iraq didn't end well because of a lack of reason.
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I have no doubt that Cheney tortured animals when he was a kid.
Probably still does now.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Does knowing that he was first or the most prolific put food on your table? Just asking!
Gee, you're sounding a bit like Hillary and her ' what difference at this time does it make ' whining
First of all, I didn't get an answer as to if that's in the movie or not.
Secondly, facts do matter. We form opinions based on not just what is reported, but often what's been left out. NOT knowing , or being reminded, can play a part in how the public sees Cheney, or any public figure, for that matter.
Lastly, when taking a full , honest assessment of his life, public and private, I don't think most Americans have been given a true representation of the former VP. The Leftist MSM love to craft their favored icons in a positive light, while casting others as villains, all the time, 24/7. That's not how the real world works, and I'd appreciate it if Hollywood and the media would stop trying to pre-package everything in their brand of reality.
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I don't think anybody was lying about Cheney or his nature.
I do wish the media and Hollywood would be honest about the demons in their own closet though.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Hollywood has an ongoing cartoon that might match what you want: BoJack Horseman.
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I don't think anybody was lying about Cheney or his nature.
I do wish the media and Hollywood would be honest about the demons in their own closet though.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BoJack_Horseman
If you want live action, Hollywood already made that movie and it did not do well, so there will be no sequel to The Player. The Player is a 1992 American satirical black comedy film starring Tim Robbins, Greta Scacchi, Fred Ward, Whoopi Goldberg, Peter Gallagher, Brion James, Cynthia Stevenson and is the story of a Hollywood film studio executive who murders an aspiring screenwriter he believes is sending him death threats. The Player has many film references and Hollywood in-jokes, with 65 celebrities making cameo appearances in the film.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Player_(film)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Dude, what is your fucking problem? Do you know who Robert Frost is?
And no, I couldn't care less if he, you or half the fucking world voted for Putin, er, I mean Trump.
sgg
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Yeah, Rappy. There's no way that you would know who Robert Frost is. You voted for Trump, afterall.
Only mindless superhero flicks for you.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Well, I guess that this critic thinks there should be a reason, but perhaps there wasn't one. Sometimes people, when they achieve total unquestioned power, they tend to behave in irrational ways. But, that would have been a
different film.
There is, if you recall, a scene where Cheney and Lynne are in the bathroom brushing their teeth (or, at least, Cheney is) and the narrator specifically
brings up that fact - what was on his mind at that moment. I believe it was right before the Iraq debacle. That was his (McKay's) thinking on the matter.
I took it to mean that Cheney had no soul, no reason but exhibiting his power.
There is one motivation that I could think of, which seemed to be the driving force behind Cheney's political moves. He wanted to prove he was a man to his
darling Lynne. I think back to the scene in their house, when a young wife
admonishes her man for being a nobody and a drunkard. She challenged him and his manhood. To me, that stuck out. He was so consumed by this that he spared
no expense, and even sacrificed his gay daughter's happiness to appease that
of his youngest. His life was filled with action and inaction, spurred on by his wife. She campaigned in his place, she was the motivation. Plus his addiction to violence, though he found a new way to express himself.
That's why I mention Robert Frost, an American poet. Not everything in a poem
is explained by the artist because much is implied in the written word. A painter paints and interprets his vision of the world in paint strokes. I'm
not saying that the critic is wrong, but I found myself, after some thought
about what I just finished seeing and the challenge put up on the screen, searching for meaning and the purpose of using the imagery he used.
McKay's use of the fly fishing scenes, the narrator and the vignette-style of storytelling. This was not your usual fare, not a straight-forward biographical film. Not by a long shot. It reminded me of impressionistic
painting. Avant garde. That's what I meant in my little review
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For movie buffs, brace yourself, this is no walk in the park. It does NOT color by numbers, nor does it stay inside the lines. It is funny, it is irreverent, it starts and stops, but it is never boring.
Iraq, as it turned out, was an exercise in wielding power and not one of strategy. Unfortunately, we are still paying for it today.
SGG
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Such a good movie, I posted twice. But the point of Variety's review is that Vice didn't explain what motivated Cheney to prefer torturing rather than following the time tested methods, both legal and very effective, used to get information from Nazi prisoners during WWII. Is it because Cheney tortured animals as child? Or did he not know any better as an adult? Unfortunately for a movie that is more biographical than satirical, the movie script does not explore Cheney's underlying motivations. The movie treats Cheney's psychology as a black box: he does stuff for superficial reasons or even no reason at all. That's why Cheney went to war in Iraq and that's why it was an expensive fiasco -- there wasn't enough strong, solid, truthful reasons for him and Bush to do what they did. Not surprisingly, Iraq didn't end well because of a lack of reason.
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First of all, I didn't get an answer as to if that's in the movie or not.
Yes, I did answer your question, see below...
I usually don't go around describing/rehashing the film (goes towards spoilers), besides that's the lazy-man way.
But yeah. (right here, to be more specific; it's in the movie).
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Secondly, facts do matter. We form opinions based on not just what is reported, but often what's been left out.
Facts do matter. We agree on that, but what is it that you're referring to?
The movie, which I guess you haven't seen, or my comments. We form our opinions based on what we believe to be true/facts. So, if someone says the
sky is falling, well, you know the rest. So how do you know if something has been left out? How do you know that what you're being told is fact or fiction?
It is important. So we agree again.
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Lastly, when taking a full , honest assessment of his life, public and private, I don't think most Americans have been given a true representation of the former VP.
As far as I know, VICE is the first, and only, movie about Cheney. If you haven't seen it, then how can you say that. I don't know Cheney privately, nor do I want to, so I'm only going by the public persona; his track record in
the White House, during the Bush Administration. Tell me, do you know him?
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That's not how the real world works, and I'd appreciate it if Hollywood and the media would stop trying to pre-package everything in their brand of reality.
Speaking of reality, is that the way the Right Wing-Nut media works? They're
truthful and full of facts. Tell me, Fox and Friends, they operate differently
don't they? Always speaking truth. Nothing prepackaged there, right?
Just so you know, Hollywood is a dream factory. "Based on a True Story" does not mean that everything in the movie is true. It makes shit up...I thought you knew that. Do you go around looking for a man dressed up as a bat? And
if you go around listening to Jack, then you have other problems that I can't
help you with.
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Does knowing that he was first or the most prolific put food on your table? Just asking!
I keep forgetting that you follow the Lemmings of Broadway, anyway, NO I AM NOT HILLARY, or anyone else. Apples and oranges Rappy, apples and oranges!
My statement was not a competition with Trump, or anyone else. But I know how much you guys like to compare everything to Obama and Hillary, as though we were measuring dick size.
First of all, Cheney never supported his gay daughter publicly; he did, however support his daughter Liz for Senate, who expressed her opposition to gay marriage in her platform. Cheney was quoted as saying, "This is an issue we have dealt with privately for many years, and we are pained to see it become public...since it has, one thing should be clear. Liz has always believed in the traditional definition of marriage."
(source: WAPO, 11/18/2013, by Aaron Blake)
Fact.
SGG
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I'll have you know that the Spider Verse movie is an excellent movie and not mindless at all, unlike you.
sgg
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yeah, Rappy. There's no way that you would know who Robert Frost is. You voted for Trump, afterall.
Only mindless superhero flicks for you.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Whether it's Nazi or Comrade, or idiot or dummy.
Now it's my turn. I've never called you any of those things, ever!
Here's the thing, you have hurled insults my way and I, like I've said countless of times, I defend myself. And now the "smarmy douche" crack.
Fuck that, I'm letting you have it - both barrels. You stop, I stop.
It's very simple.
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I've called you out on it 3 or 4 times now when you've done it to me, and you usually backpedal and apologize for it.
You have asked that I stop using the term "comrades" referring to Kiki, Siggy, Jewels, etc. I remember having a conversation with you regarding the "bullying" from the likes of these people. We spoke about how they called
you names and drunkard and the like. Same tactic they used on me, including calling me mentally ill.
But let me get one thing straight with you - apologizing and backpedaling are two entirely different things.
backpedaling is when someone changes their position or thinking on a particular opinion.
apologizing is when you do something that you regret having done to someone
and you let them know that you made a mistake. You do that to set things right. I didn't want that being done to me, so I apologized and we spoke for a while on an equal basis. We each had a point of view and we pretty much left each other alone with little to no hostility.
Most of my comments were aimed at Trump and those he calls "very fine people."
It's only been recent that I called you a "dickweed" and "asshole" because
you've begun to act like one. And I'm only referring to myself, I'm not worried about any of the others.
Just wanted to clarify that little thing.
SGG
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