Senators want to know -- 'ghost' detainees

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CONNORFLYNN

Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:02 PM

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He had just as much connecting him to the Nazis as some of these people have connecting them to terrorists.

I'm not sure where you're coming from here LOL. Clue me in. Who are "these people"? I hope your not talking about the insurgents LOL, because they are definitely linked to foreign terrorists.

KNIBBLET

Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:10 PM

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Originally posted by christhecynic:

Chris, that entire conversation made little sense without a context. Where and when did it take place - give us some history.

Also, please stop feeding the troll. Please, people, I'm getting a migraine.

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."

WHISPERING

Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:20 PM

Retry...

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The difference between us (the US),Rwanda or the Sudan is that we are trying to save lives by finding the Terrorist cells before they achieve their goals,death and destruction of honest god-fearing civilians. The only way is to rip, pull, tug and tear the information out of the Militants we have. Thats the only way we will get any info from them. We have no choice. The battle is on. We will make them talk. We will find their hidden cells and we will end them or they will keep blowing shit up.

Yep, i'm sure they'll be thrilled in the funeral. Witch would pretty much take you 2 steps back and erase what (if anything) you have achieved by the rip-pull-tug thing. Some dont like to see their people die. The fact that you accuse them for hating you, trying to attack your country or whatever, yet you have far worst hatred against them, hypocrite?

I just wonder what would be the ideal world for you?

CHRISTHECYNIC

Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:24 PM

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Originally posted by Knibblet:
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Originally posted by christhecynic:

Chris, that entire conversation made little sense without a context. Where and when did it take place - give us some history.

Also, please stop feeding the troll. Please, people, I'm getting a migraine.

I've had similar incidents, I figure we all have, but I don’t talk about them. That happened to my father, he was Person 2. It was an apartment building in Maine. I’m not sure of the date. Certainly no less than 20 years after the war.

I’ll take your advice and not respond to the troll, even though I would like to.

CONNORFLYNN

Wednesday, July 21, 2004 1:19 AM

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Originally posted by whispering:

Yep, i'm sure they'll be thrilled in the funeral. Witch would pretty much take you 2 steps back and erase what (if anything) you have achieved by the rip-pull-tug thing. Some dont like to see their people die.

LOL thats why all the beheadings by these militant deathmongers have been video taped and televised on the internet. But I'm wrong for not wanting to see my people die by the hands of these monsters.

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The fact that you accuse them for hating you, trying to attack your country or whatever, yet you have far worst hatred against them, hypocrite?

They did attack my country. They continue to attcak my countrymen abroad. Its not an idle accusation. I'm a hypocrite because I want to see terrorism crushed LOL. So be it. I'm a hypocrite.

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I just wonder what would be the ideal world for you?

The ideal world for me would be one where I didn't have to worry about some crazed Arab blowing himself up in my country or abroad.

RUE

Wednesday, July 21, 2004 3:16 AM

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JADEHAND ", I'd still do it in less than a heartbeat. I'd do it a hundred times. Wrong? yes. Unexceptable? No."
CONNORFLYNN "If we can save one civilian life by torturing a terrorist bastard. So be it." "The only people crying are the ones who have something to hide and their bleeding heart supporters."

Until they 'disappear' a harmless family member, or friend, and look at YOU intently. Why WERE you hanging out with that terrorist?

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CONNORFLYNN "No offense.. I call Bullshit"

http://multigraphic.dk/lounge/weblog/weblog.php?id=P940 "There are a lot more photographs and videos that exist," the U.S. Defence Secretary [Donald Rumsfeld] told the Senate armed services committee. "If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse. That's just a fact. I mean, I looked at them last night and they're hard to believe," he continued glumly, without going into detail. U.S. Republican Senator Lindsey Graham told reporters yesterday that "the American people need to understand that we're talking about rape and murder here. We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience."

I could have pulled this same item from the WashingtonPost, NYTimes, LATimes etc - just happened to get it from NZ country. Look it up yourself.

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CONNORFLYNN ""...the law of war draws a distinction between the armed forces and the peaceful populations of belligerent nations and also between those who are lawful and unlawful combatants."

etc

I searched through all four Geneva Conventions, and Protocols I and II, and didn't find what you so elaborately quoted. A reference would be appreciated.

http://www.genevaconventions.org/

Art. 2. The Convention shall also apply to all cases of partial or total occupation of the territory of a High Contracting Party, even if the said occupation meets with no armed resistance. Although one of the Powers in conflict may not be a party to the present Convention, the Powers who are parties thereto shall remain bound by it in their mutual relations.
To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons: (a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture; (b) taking of hostages; (c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment; (d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.

CONNORFLYNN

Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:22 PM

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CONNORFLYNN ""...the law of war draws a distinction between the armed forces and the peaceful populations of belligerent nations and also between those who are lawful and unlawful combatants."

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I searched through all four Geneva Conventions, and Protocols I and II, and didn't find what you so elaborately quoted. A reference would be appreciated.

Be happy to Rue. Thanks for an actual question rather then a specious comment.

The statement above was taken from a 1942 US Supreme Court decision regarding the definition of "enemy combatants". I believe the case is "ex parte Quirin". That particular comment was to explain where the term Enemy Combatant came from.

After I explained where the definition came from , I then followed up with a few guidelines that explain what criteria a person has to meet to be considered under the protections of the Geneva Conventions.

Hope that helps.

CONNORFLYNN

Wednesday, July 21, 2004 2:26 PM

I apologize for not posting a link to the case. Here it is:
http://faculty.maxwell.syr.edu/tmkeck/Cases/ExParteQuirin1942.html

Geneva Conventions
Article 50
Grave breaches to which the preceding Article relates shall be those involving any of the following acts, if committed against persons or property protected by the Convention: wilful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments, wilfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health, and extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly.

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Ex parte Quirin 1942

By universal agreement and practice, the law of war draws a distinction between the armed forces and the peaceful populations of belligerent nations and also between those who are lawful and unlawful combatants. Lawful combatants are subject to capture and detention as prisoners of war by opposing military forces. Unlawful combatants are likewise subject to capture and detention, but in addition they are subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals for acts which render their belligerency unlawful. The spy who secretly and without uniform passes the military lines of a belligerent in time of war, seeking to gather military information and communicate it to the enemy, or an enemy combatant who without uniform comes secretly through the lines for the purpose of waging war by destruction of life or property, are familiar examples of belligerents who are generally deemed not to be entitled to the status of prisoners of war, but to be offenders against the law of war subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals.

RUE

Wednesday, July 21, 2004 2:52 PM

But the Geneva Convention also states that individuals caught in the act of sabotage, or for whom there is an equally strong suspicion of the same, MAY be held incommunicado to avoid threat to the State, but MUST be treated humanely, and that all other portions of the Geneva Convention(s) apply. (IBID)

CONNORFLYNN

Wednesday, July 21, 2004 4:06 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
But the Geneva Convention also states that individuals caught in the act of sabotage, or for whom there is an equally strong suspicion of the same, MAY be held incommunicado to avoid threat to the State, but MUST be treated humanely, and that all other portions of the Geneva Convention(s) apply. (IBID)

As per

Geneva Conventions
Article 50
Grave breaches to which the preceding Article relates shall be those involving any of the following acts, if committed against persons or property protected by the Convention: wilful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments, wilfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health, and extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly.

National security is at risk. Military operations hinge upon information gathered, regarding terrorist cells, plans and action.

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