Has there been a recent show or movie that had the same 'cultural impact' as Firefly...Probably YES
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Quote:I've never considered Farscape or Battlestar to be on par with Firefly. Not even on par with Star Trek, or $6 Million Man. They just seemed far too cheesy. Battlestar seemed like lame actors playing with glitzy toys.
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Would Firefly eventually have gone off the rails, jumped the shark and would have Joss finally made a mess, made greatness but also made mistakes like he did so many other shows and movies series for example the Alien franchise
Firefly is great
and still has a huge following
groups eventually fade, website close and maybe Firefly's status, its legendary status, its cult status, 90% all its fandom will probably be lost in the mist and sands of time.
We are the old time fans
Honestly and being real with your self has it made the same impact as the other scifis the Matrix, the Japanese animations like Cowboy Beebop. The Star Trek television series, movies Inception? 'Superhero Genre' Dark Knight, the Avengers, the Disney Pixar style films, the Blaxpoiltaion flicks, the Horror genre, Martial Arts oldie movies, Post Apocalypse Terminator and Mad Max movies, the the Fantasy genre like Lord Of the Rings and the tv series Game of Thrones, StarWars, Twin Peaks? Nosferatu Murnau, Citizen Kane, Shawshank Redemption?
Will 'Firely' its only lasting impact now be matters such that it paved the way for tyhe return of the Fantasy Western like West World or the Sci-Fi Western PROSPECT or maybe Firefly will have made it more acceptable to mix Asian Orient culture with Western American culture? WHAT DID FIREFLY CHANGE , WHAT IMPACT?
I remember one time people also claimed Farscape and Battlestar were the best things ever made.... tv and film would never be the same they said?
Is Firefly now in retro cult mode, sleeping and laying dormant until someone else re-brands, re-imagines and revamps an old show for relaunch?
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Part of the title says shows, which I infer as TV Shows.
I have not seen mention of a greater TV Show since Firefly.
Walking Dead and The 100 were mentioned. I didn't consider them greater.
Heroes was not mentioned, but it suffered a Writer's Strike.
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles was good, but if somebody thinks Summer Glau casting was not "impacted" by her role as River, they are smoking something highly illegal.
I also mentioned Dollhouse, but I think it not greater than Firefly.
So, is there no TV Shows since Firefly with greater impact?
If so, what?
Or should we allow purely "cult" status to be the measure?
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I don't remember all of the rules of this thread, but I would nominate Black Mirror, since you (rightfully) put the 90's reboot of The Outer Limits on the list.
Not all of the episodes I've seen achieved Excellence, but even the mediocre ones are better than almost anything else out there. And the ones that are great... man are they REALLY great.
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closest (2) series for me:
1) The Expanse - similar feel - small group, becomes a "crew", have to fly under/off the radar, hide, be smart, not able to hang nose to nose against a professionally equipped and funded Federated govt military... Each character is unique, backstories yet to be learned about them...no shortage of folks getting killed, or loosing a fight in any given episode...excellent production quality - movie level graphics etc.
2) Last Ship - season 1 - I never watched it after that...I've heard it's great..but to me, part of the Firefly flavor was captured in season1 where you had a crew, limited power ship, need for refueling, supplies, isolated in a very hostile world, etc.
but to the question of Firefly - no, not always the greatest stories/production, and certainly will become more "dated" with time. What drew me in so deep, was the feeling of being such an underdog, having to use your smarts cause your guns and muscle were only going to get so far in a fight. That whole hide,run,dodge,fight enough to create the oppty to dodge again...and survive...and as they did, more character development of such a variety, that it couldn't help but be interesting when all those worlds collided aboard ship.
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Quote:Just because you like Firefly, does not mean you are obligated to not watch more than one season.
Originally posted by OLDGUY:
closest (2) series for me:
1) The Expanse - similar feel - small group, becomes a "crew", have to fly under/off the radar, hide, be smart, not able to hang nose to nose against a professionally equipped and funded Federated govt military... Each character is unique, backstories yet to be learned about them...no shortage of folks getting killed, or loosing a fight in any given episode...excellent production quality - movie level graphics etc.
2) Last Ship - season 1 - I never watched it after that...I've heard it's great..but to me, part of the Firefly flavor was captured in season1 where you had a crew, limited power ship, need for refueling, supplies, isolated in a very hostile world, etc.
but to the question of Firefly - no, not always the greatest stories/production, and certainly will become more "dated" with time. What drew me in so deep, was the feeling of being such an underdog, having to use your smarts cause your guns and muscle were only going to get so far in a fight. That whole hide,run,dodge,fight enough to create the oppty to dodge again...and survive...and as they did, more character development of such a variety, that it couldn't help but be interesting when all those worlds collided aboard ship.
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Since Firefly only a handful measure up ...
Breaking Bad
Entourage
Game Of Thrones
Big Bang Theory
Dice
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Quote:GoT is starting to sound like a binge-worthy experience, when I get to start watching it. Assuming it will become available on DVD.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Since Firefly only a handful measure up ...
Breaking Bad
Entourage
Game Of Thrones
Big Bang Theory
Dice
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While a lot of shows claim to be great I don't think some of them are as great as Firefly. Here's what I think changed
1 People and film and production companies invested, they put the money and skill in to make a big tv production, the guys like HBO came along and made Band of Brothers or From the Earth to the Moon, other big animations launch across the world, scifi and fantasy like Stranger Things, Gotham, Daredevil, Rome, The Walking Dead guys like Netflix would come along and also make big productions, its a big money making game gone from the days of Fox and other cables owned all and they owned all ratings
2 Which leads me into the subject of Cable or the Death of Cable Television, new online streaming service from Roku, Fire TV, Netflix, Hulu, Sling, Amazon YouTube TV, PlayStation Xbox Television, people can binge watch, or they can stream and save later, its a very different era to when Firefly was on air and the indie channels have budgets maybe bigger budgets than Firefly had, Firefly is still an amazing show
3A lot of people praised shows like Wire, and Game of Thrones, you can now have a show launched and in 24 hrs it is know around the world, each generation probably thinks its seeing amazing tv something unique that will never be done again Hill St Blues, Roots, the Shogun mini series, the V mini series, the orginal Star Trek, the original Twilight Zone .... would fans accept a re-imagining or a remake or reboot? Or was Firefly unique, could it be updated like they have tried to do the Stargates, Twilight Zones, Lost In Space, the Star Wars movies how they rebooted. I watched some eps of the new Twin Peaks recently, the continuation and it was well done. This is another show which could claim to have revolutionzed tv. The old Star Trek is a class, follows on with Next Generation and Deep Space Nine, the show Star Trek had ratings problems somewhere around the end of Voyager, it never really got the same cultural impact it once had. Scifi? I did enoy the J.J. Abrams movies even if the message might have been a little shallow and unlike the original spirit of Trek.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:GoT is starting to sound like a binge-worthy experience, when I get to start watching it. Assuming it will become available on DVD.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Since Firefly only a handful measure up ...
Breaking Bad
Entourage
Game Of Thrones
Big Bang Theory
Dice
My old man said my youngest brother got him into it, and it's one of the best shows he's ever seen. Like me, he didn't think he'd sit through more than an episode, but he was instantly hooked.
One of the recent episodes from the last season was so "dark" that apparently everybody was bitching about it on the internet and people were adjusting the brightness on their TV because they couldn't see anything.
I laughed and told him that the only way he's ever going to see that episode is if he shells out $1,000 for entire collection special edition on BluRay after the show wraps up. It will be a Special Bonus Feature.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Just because you like Firefly, does not mean you are obligated to not watch more than one season.
Originally posted by OLDGUY:
closest (2) series for me:
1) The Expanse - similar feel - small group, becomes a "crew", have to fly under/off the radar, hide, be smart, not able to hang nose to nose against a professionally equipped and funded Federated govt military... Each character is unique, backstories yet to be learned about them...no shortage of folks getting killed, or loosing a fight in any given episode...excellent production quality - movie level graphics etc.
2) Last Ship - season 1 - I never watched it after that...I've heard it's great..but to me, part of the Firefly flavor was captured in season1 where you had a crew, limited power ship, need for refueling, supplies, isolated in a very hostile world, etc.
but to the question of Firefly - no, not always the greatest stories/production, and certainly will become more "dated" with time. What drew me in so deep, was the feeling of being such an underdog, having to use your smarts cause your guns and muscle were only going to get so far in a fight. That whole hide,run,dodge,fight enough to create the oppty to dodge again...and survive...and as they did, more character development of such a variety, that it couldn't help but be interesting when all those worlds collided aboard ship.
LOL...yep...ya know.. I have friends, coworkers, my adult kids tell me "You should watch this new series...." and I tell them I tend to wait til I know a show has the entire season , maybe a renewal, in the can before I let myself start watching..just don't want my heart broken again (grin). I'm told Last Ship has been great in subsequent seasons.. I was just very happy with it wrapping up with them finding a cure (in fact I call the season done with the next to last epi...don't need that season 1 cliffhanger to draw me into a second season.
GOT was a bit too harsh for the wife when we watched the pilot episode..so I never went back cause I know the odds are I'd never keep up with it in whatever seperate TV viewing time I have...but I've obvioulsy missed a heckuva series.
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